tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30103009210360031762024-03-17T10:19:05.642-07:00Tekton TickerUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-75093405855253132962022-10-01T12:16:00.004-07:002022-10-01T12:16:55.468-07:00The Tekton Canon Is Now Closed<p> <a href="https://www.tektonics.org/closedcanon.php">Link</a>.</p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-90267777583441839472022-05-22T07:21:00.005-07:002023-07-03T13:12:50.562-07:00An Addendum to The Impossible Faith<p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Today I have a special guest piece by Samuel Breckenridge, which was inspired by our Impossible Faith material.<br /></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"> **</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">An overlooked piece of evidence for Partial Preterism specifically, but also Christianity as a whole even for a Futurist, are a series of overt displays of divine power shortly preceding the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. Such signs had been promised by Christ in Luke 21, demonstrating that it was this destruction of the Temple that he was speaking of rather than that of a yet-to-be Third Temple. (Barring a "double-fulfillment" scenario, as J.P noted in his excellent introduction to Preterism.)<br /><br />These overt displays of divine power, attested to as they are by every historical source that discusses the Jewish-Roman War at length, including our most esteemed contemporary non-Christian sources Tacitus and Josephus, provides us with an argument for Christianity itself as well. In a way, a mirror to the Impossible Faith argument. As The Impossible Faith demonstrates God's vindication of Christ and his chosen through the resurrection, this can be used to demonstrate His associated shaming of those who reject Him through the stripping of their honor.<br /><br />Christ famously, in Luke 21, predicts for the Temple that "the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another". When asked "when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?", he replies that preceding it will be "fearful events and great signs from heaven".<br /><br />This particular part of his prophecy was fulfilled in a much more dramatic fashion than many realize, and we have the reports of our very best non-Christian sources for this period to prove that.<br /><br />Firstly, Tacitus. J.P. has already covered Tacitus' absolutely stellar reputation for accuracy in his article on Tacitus against Christ-mythers, so the man needs no further introduction here. In Book 5, chapter 13 of his Histories, when discussing what took place in the leadup to the Jewish-Roman War that would see the Temple destroyed, Tacitus reports:<br /><br />"Omens had indeed occurred…armies were seen running about up in the skies, their weapons shining red. The temple was illuminated with light from the sky. Out of nowhere, the gates of the temple suddenly opened. A greater than mortal voice cried 'The gods are departing', and at that same moment there was a mighty disturbance, as if something was going out. Some few interpreted these omens as fearful, but in most there was a firm persuasion… [that these signs meant that they] were to acquire a worldwide empire".<br /><br />Josephus and his significance, similarly, needs no introduction for a regular Tekton reader. In Book 6, chapter 5, section 3 of his History of the Jewish War, he goes into detail on these signs, writing:<br /><br />"They neither heeded nor credited the manifest signs that foretold the coming destruction, but, as if thunderstruck and bereft of eyes and mind, disregarded the plain warnings of God. So it was when there was a star in the shape of a sword which stood over the city...<br /><br />So it was again when, before the Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war, at the time when the people had come in great crowds to Jerusalem for Passover, on the eighth day of the month Nisan, at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone around the altar and the Temple that it appeared to be bright daytime; which lasted for half an hour…<br /><br />At the same Passover also a sacrificial cow, as she was led by the high priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb in the midst of the Temple. And the gate of the Temple, which was of brass and vastly heavy...which rested upon a base reinforced with iron and had bolts fastened very deep into the stone foundation, was seen to open of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night.<br /><br />A few days after this Passover festival, on the twenty-first day of the month of Iyar, a prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it…for, before sunset, throughout the whole country chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding the cities. <br /><br />Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner court of the temple as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that…they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a voice like that of a great multitude saying 'Let us depart from here.'".<br /><br />Having Josephus report these events is incredible enough, and there are several factors that add even more weight to this already tremendous report. Firstly, his report here is extremely early, written less than a decade following the Jewish-Roman War. We know this because Vespasian is noted as having read the work, and Vespasian died less than ten years after the conflict ended. In Book 1, section 9 of Against Apion Josephus writes: "I have composed a true history of that whole war, and of all the particulars that occurred therein...those that had the supreme command in that war, Vespasian and Titus...to them I presented those books first of all". The Jewish-Roman War ended in 73 AD and Vespasian died in 79 AD, meaning Josephus must have written the work less than a decade after the war.<br /><br />Josephus informs us in this same passage that a number of other notables attested to the accuracy of his work on the Jewish-Roman War, and the list reads as if it were taken from Who's Who That Would Know What Was Going On In First-Century Israel. In full, he writes:<br /><br />"I have composed a true history of that whole war, and of all the particulars that occurred therein ...I was so well assured of the truth of what I related, that I first of all appealed to those that had the supreme command in that war, Vespasian and Titus, as witnesses for me, for to them I presented those books first of all, and after them to many of the Romans who had been in the war. I also sold them to many of our own men...among whom were Julius Archelaus, Herod, a person of great gravity, and king Agrippa himself, a person that deserved the greatest admiration. Now all these men bore their testimony to me, that I had the strictest regard to truth; who yet would not have dissembled the matter, nor been silent, if I, out of ignorance, or out of favor to any side, either had given false colors to actions, or omitted any of them".<br /><br />From Agrippa, the sitting king of Israel himself, to Julius Archelaus, prince of the nearby country of Commagene, to Titus, who himself lead the siege and destroyed the Temple, those who attested to the accuracy of the report are all the absolute best-informed individuals on this war and its surrounding events. This is in addition to the hefty credentials that Josephus himself brings to the table. Josephus was a general on the Jewish side of the war as he he tells us in Book 2, chapter 20, section 4 of his History of the Jewish War. He also himself lived in Jerusalem at the time the signs were taking place as his autobiography makes clear and so would have personally been an eyewitness to the major signs such as the armies in the sky. Even if he had, say, slept through the light from heaven shining down on the Temple in the middle of the night lighting it up bright as day for half an hour, the very next morning it would have been all the town was talking about and a historian of his caliber could not have failed to gather the facts.<br /><br />This factor is what allows us to definitively refute the most common counter-argument you will hear: that these events are fabricated, simply legends or lies. Our sources make clear that the largest of these signs were seen by everyone in the city and throughout the country, it is not possible for them to have been simply invented accounts when we have contemporary sources who are as early as Josephus and as skeptical as Tacitus. Unless everyone in Israel and Jerusalem got together and said "let's pull a fast one on the world by saying we saw all these things", the notion that these are simply lies does not work. Entire nations cannot get away with fabricating stories about what they've seen. For those familiar with the argument for Jesus' resurrection, we have here the case from the witnesses multiplied by a hundred thousand.<br /><br />Those who would deny that these events occurred find themselves in a conundrum. If we cannot use multiple contemporary sources coming from opposite sides of a recent war with the accuracy and vigorous research of Tacitus, the esteem and connections of Josephus, the veracity of which were attested to by a laundry list of everybody involved with the events, which report events of a scale that should render them among the easiest things in all of history to check out...then how can any truth in history be established? Any consistent standard for determining historical truth must either accept the occurrence of these events, or else throw out any claims about even the possibility of learning historical truths from the time before HD video. (And as video editing software gets more and more effective at a lower and lower price, not even that will be tenable for long.)<br /><br />So anyone hearing through the Impossible Faith argument about how God vindicated Christ and restored his honor through the resurrection should pay attention: as surely as The Impossible Faith proves that those obedient to God's promises will be vindicated and honored, the Jerusalem signs show that those who disregard His warnings will be condemned and shamed.<br /><br /><i>Samuel M. Breckenridge is a database manager with a lifelong passion for historical apologetics that started with Tekton. He is the writer of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09V2F25Q9/" target="_blank">The Christian’s Arsenal. </a></i></span><i><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09V2F25Q9/" target="_blank"><br /></a></i><br /></p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-23047754939860677552020-10-24T12:57:00.006-07:002021-11-07T08:04:38.625-08:00Project Hindsight 2020<p><span style="font-family: verdana;">After a decade or more, any website will have a host of issues to address such as archaic third-party code (I have a load of that from YouTube) or broken links (plenty of those too). This gives me an opportunity to also read over old articles and see if I can (or need) to update them in terms of factual matter, new academic insights, and other miscellany (such as news of various opponents who have either quit the online field or are deceased).</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">I may as well have a name for this project: Project Hindsight 2020. Among other things, I will also be transferring items from other locations (like this blog, or the E-Block) into the main Tekton website, and I will also be asking guest writers for updates on their material. In some cases, if I no longer can get in touch with a guest writer, I will delete their material until I hear from them.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">I expect Project Hindsight 2020 to occupy me through...well...the end of 2020. It's also all part of making sure that Tekton materials are ready for a transition to someone else's management at such time as that becomes needed -- probably not for at least another 20-30 years, but you never know.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Added 10/31: As part of this project, you will begin to see some old entries vanish from this blog as I transplant them to Tekton's website. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Added 11/14: I have completed the process of transplanting all of my own writings from the Ticker (and Forge) to the Tekton website. Only a few items by me will remain on these blogs, as they were deemed more practical to keep here. I am now in the process of notifying guest writers of the option to review their material from here before I transplant it. Meanwhile, on the Tekton website itself, I have removed a few items for various reasons (such as the item I was responding to no longer being online) and fixed broken links. I will now begin the process of editing/updating articles.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Added 5/28/21: Editing and updating articles has become a far more mammoth project than anticipated. It is fair to say that I forgot the sheer volume of material that had been produced. I have been checking articles alphabetically by file name, and I am just now at the halfway point.<br /></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Added 11/7/21: I have completed updating all articles and have also created companion vids for all the articles I believe I possibly can. I am now working on updating e-books.</span></p><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-22019234440114550842020-10-11T09:08:00.001-07:002020-10-11T09:08:05.039-07:00Reconstruction in Progress<p><span style="font-family: verdana;"> I am working on moving the Tekton website to a new webhost, having become dissatisfied with the lack of service and lack of principle demonstrated by the former webhost. There are some minor technical issues (I think related to Javascript) that need to be worked out which I am discussing with the web designer who designed the site in its current iteration. Until these are worked out, access to various parts of Tekton may be limited. Hopefully it will not take long.</span><br /></p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-56915224968155026372020-07-10T06:04:00.000-07:002020-07-10T06:04:12.693-07:00Stupidity Unmasked<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">There was a recent news item about a lawmaker in Ohio, Nino Vitale, who refused to wear a face mask under the premise that "we are all created in the image and likeness of God" and "(t)hat image is seen the most by our face." This news reflects a few thematic points.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The first theme is that utterly inane arguments like this one never die; they simply are resurrected repeatedly to serve newer and even stupider purposes. Vitale's rendering of the image language of the Bible is no different in essence than Mormon arguments which use the same passages to declare that God is a glorified human being -- arguments which I addressed and debunked in <i>The Mormon Defenders </i>back in 2001. (The sum of it: The language has nothing to do with physical appearance but with humans being designated authorities on earth. A mask doesn't change that.)</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The second theme is that the resurrection of stupidity like this is a perpetual cycle which no amount of education can correct. A church that has gorged on Joel Osteen and messages and music designed to make themselves feel better will not be persuaded by facts or evidence when there is an agenda at hand to pursue. Apologetics is a practice for the sake of the dwindling few who are the exceptions to this -- and it is those I will continue to serve with this ministry.</span>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-58472765923666520462020-04-03T06:46:00.003-07:002020-04-03T06:46:57.845-07:00Crowned with Viral Glory<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The current crisis has not unexpectedly brought to light
some darker corners of the church that had been better off remaining dark. A couple
of examples:</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Jim Bakker, whose reputation is so well known as to not
require any further explanation, has been called down for promoting a fake
toothpaste cure: </span></div>
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health orders: <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/us/florida-pastor-arrested-river-church/index.html">https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/us/florida-pastor-arrested-river-church/index.html</a><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>People might not remember Browne, so a
reminder may be in order. He was a leading voice in the “holy laughter” movement
some years back. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><a href="https://www.equip.org/article/an-evening-with-rodney-howard-browne/">https://www.equip.org/article/an-evening-with-rodney-howard-browne/</a></span></div>
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for the foreseeable future, distance learning is going to become a much more
popular way of teaching apologetics.</span></div>
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egregious attempts to deceive me took place in 2008 while he was posing as
“spirit5er” on TheologyWeb. It took me until 2016 to find out the whole truth.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="color: #0d0d0d; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 107%;">While I was engaging him in debate on
TheologyWeb in 2008, Doscher challenged me to a debate in front of my church
and said he would pay me $20,000 for that debate. Because of a crash, the TheologyWeb
version of that thread no longer exists except for a bit of it in an archive.
But Doscher preserved a version of those events on an atheist forum that same
year. Here’s what he said in a message dated October 6, 2008:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 107%;">I accepted Holding's $20,000 price tag
for an oral debate at a location, date and time of his choosing, on a biblical
subject of his choosing, in front of any audience of his choosing, then asked
for the name and number of his pastor to facilitate the deal, guarantee his
promise to debate and transfer the money. Nope. He refused to give the
information on his pastor (like Holding really goes to church?!), unless I PM'd
him with an electronic scan of my bank statement showing I had at least $20,000
in my account. When I objected that people sending bank statements to people
they don't know on the internet is absurd, and they can be easily photoshopped
anyway (bank statements being little more than letters, lines and numbers, how
hard is that to alter?), he replied that he knows experts who can tell whether
a scan that shows my name and money-amount, has been photoshopped or not. As if
the prospect of meeting personally with his pastor to facilitate this deal upon
his agreement to debate, was somehow more prone to deception and falsification
than his ridiculous face-saving suggestions.<o:p></o:p></span></i></div>
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<span style="color: #0d0d0d; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 107%;">I had plenty of suspicions about
“spirit5er” so I never told him a thing. I also strung him along about his
offer of $20,000, knowing that it was likely to be false. I had no idea just
how false it was until 2016, when I started collecting documents from Doscher’s
old lawsuits in the midst of his libel lawsuit against me.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="color: #0d0d0d; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 107%;">By way of background, in 2007, Doscher
briefly worked for Swift Transportation, a leading trucking company. He resigned
from that job on July 31, 2007, over an issue involving a traffic ticket and a
refusal to drive his truck. In June 2009, he filed the first of a series of
lawsuits related to these events. I won’t get into details on those cases here.
What I want to highlight is this snippet from a document he filed in that case:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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v Swift</i><span style="color: #0d0d0d; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">, Motion for Summary Judgment, October 2010, p. 60)</span></div>
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<span style="color: #0d0d0d; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 107%;">So, let’s put the pieces together. In
2008, the same year he was often homeless and living in his car, Doscher was
also offering me $20,000 to engage him in a live debate. This was in spite of
the fact that he couldn’t even afford to spend the money for gas needed to turn
the heat on in his vehicle in the dead of winter. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="color: #0d0d0d; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 107%;">It’s kind of ironic. In 2008, he offered
me $20,000 he didn’t have to pay me for a live debate. In 2016, a judge ordered
him to pay me just over $20,000 to cover my attorney fees. One way or the
other, he’s destined to pay me that amount someday. It just remains to be seen
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<![endif]--><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In an entry for this blog some time ago, the theme was “I am second” – referring to where I had reached on the list of freelance contributors to the <i>Christian Research Journal.</i> This entry is about another “second” I’ve also reached, of an entirely different kind – and unlike last time, it’s not about an achievement. It’s about an effort that’s been made to destroy all that I’ve worked for the past 20 years, and how it’s destined to fail.</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />Readers will recall that in 2015-16, I was the subject of a libel lawsuit. The plaintiff sued me in his home state and lost on the grounds of his state’s court lacking jurisdiction over me as resident of another state. He then sued me in my home state of Florida, and he lost here as well. The end result is that he now owes me nearly $27,000 at present, which is a combination of just over $21,000 in attorney fees plus two years’ interest. </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /><br />He makes public statements about the money I spent. He’s less inclined to mention more than that about it.</span> <span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /><br />Well, then. It’s time to reveal some facts about this individual, as well as explain why “I am second” with respect to something related to him.</span> <span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /><br />His name is Christian Behrend Doscher. Here are a few facts about him. <br /><br />When he sued me, he already owed more than ninety thousand dollars in debt. Some sixty five thousand of that was from other legal debts he has incurred over the past several years due to losses in court. <br /><br />With the debt to me added, he would now be over $110,000 in debt. Among those debts, he owes more to me than he owes to any other party save one. That is the sense in which “I am second” in this instance. I am his second leading creditor. <br /><br />That’s what he doesn’t seem inclined to mention when he talks about that $20,000 I spent and posts about it in various places: <b>That he now owes me every cent of that money, plus interest, by court order. </b><br /><br />He will not be paying me back any time soon, though. That’s because he is, in fact, long term unemployed, on disability, and indigent. He has been unemployed for at least eight years. He lives off disability checks and food stamps. <br /><br />And now, he has threatened to file a third libel lawsuit against me – or rather, against my former ministry Apologetics Afield, which is now defunct. So why is Doscher suing a dead company, rather than me personally?<br /><br />Maybe he’s trying to make me first in terms of who he owes money to instead of second? <br /><br />Or maybe, he’s too frightened of me to face me one on one in a court of law, knowing that I know as much as I do about his past and about his litigation history. <br /><br />Doscher sometimes objects that people don’t know the whole story about his lawsuits against me. He has said they need to hear more of the story. <br /><br />Well, I agree. <br /><br />I have started a new journal that I have titled DoscherLeaks, which is part of a <a href="http://www.lawsuitagainstjamespatrickholding.com/" target="_blank">website </a>I have about the lawsuit. In that journal, I will be presenting copies of several documents related to Doscher and/or to his lawsuits against me. For openers, we have <a href="http://www.lawsuitagainstjamespatrickholding.com/mainbank.pdf" target="_blank">this</a>. It was a bankruptcy filing he made in September 2015, shortly after he first sued me. In that document, he lists his income and his assets as of September 2015. (I had originally planned to make this and much more part of an ebook, but I have since decided that this format has more utility.) <br /><br />Here are some interesting facts related in the bankruptcy paperwork: <br /><br />His total debt at the time of filing was $89,391.84. <br /><br />$10,677.50 of that was on a student loan. <br /><br />One of his possessions is a set of “vintage nail clippers” valued at $2. <br /><br />He lists his prior lawsuit against me as an asset worth $15,000. <br /><br />He receives $745.00 per month for a disability payment. He lives off of this and $194.00 per month in food stamps. <br /><br />The only party he owes more to than to me is the background screening company HireRight ($33,562.50). <br /><br />The next document I am sharing now is a <a href="http://www.lawsuitagainstjamespatrickholding.com/feeshearing.pdf" target="_blank">transcript </a>of the hearing where the judge in Doscher’s home state awarded me attorney fees. A few points I found notable include that my attorney says I did an “excellent job of presenting the issues to the court” in my originally filed motion to dismiss (though he also said it needed more reference to state law). I also appreciated this quote from my attorney: <br /><br />“Mr. Doscher has repeatedly chosen to initiate litigation in this and other forums. Mr. Doscher needs to understand that there are very real costs to those he brings into court.’ <br /><br />After the judge declines to let him speak, Doscher leaves the courtroom. The judge says near the end, before making the award, <b>“It’s my finding that Mr. Doscher has abused the court process to go after somebody from out of state, hale them into court in this state.” </b><br /><br />It’s good to know more of the story, isn’t it? I am sure Doscher appreciates it. <br /><br />That’s just a fraction of all have on Doscher, which was compiled over several months as preparation for his lawsuits. I have much more. <br /><br />And I will share it all in depth on <i>DoscherLeaks.</i> <br /><br />One other thing I will share now: A select list of quotations by attorneys in past suits who opposed Doscher. I’ll put those below. (In later journal entries, we’ll fill out the context for these quotes, but if you want to see the documents now, please contact me.) <br /><br />After all, he wants everyone to know the full story. <br /><br />Now everyone will. </span> <span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />** <br /><br /><i>By a local attorney, in Doscher’s lawsuit against his former public defender in a custody case: </i><br /><br />"As can be seen from the excerpt reproduced immediately below, (1) Mr. Doscher threatened to run up the cost of litigation by dragging out discovery, claiming as an excuse that he as a pro se would end up taking more time. (2) He also acknowledged that he received social security disability payments due to his 'mental disability.' (3) He then stated that even if we were awarded sanctions against him, he would not have the money to pay that, moreover, (4) he would be filing bankruptcy in 2013 and add Ms.[Defendant], in that event, to 'the other creditors that I must name'. (5) He then stated, 'unless somebody gives me a whole bunch of money in the next two years, Ms. [Defendant] would not recover any fees or costs even if she is successful (6) Finally, he ended with a cheeky comment about his own legal abilities. (7) In a portion not excerpted below, Mr. Doscher also threatened Ms. [Defendant] with a bar complaint and (8) threatened to file the same case in federal court so that Ms. [Defendant] would have to defend parallel litigation in both venues." <br /><br />Based on this email, the attorney says, "I realized that Mr. Doscher's relentless pursuit of litigation had some aspects of it being a game to him, that he could use and manipulate for his own purposes. Coupled with his mental disability and his explicit promise to run up costs, I realize that I could not deal with him in the same manner that I deal with the normal attorney and pro se litigant." <br /><br />"Finally, the court in the present case should not allow Mr. Doscher to abuse the judicial process. He is continually granted orders of indigency and continually wastes mine and the court's time with repetitive motions in which he regurgitates much of what has been previously stated at least once. Since by his own admission he labors under a mental disability, it is inappropriate for his mental disability to determine the course of litigation in light of the willingness of the court to overlook, in some instances, his being pro se...I believe the court should recognize the inappropriate - if not bad faith - actions of Mr. Doscher in conducting the litigation. I do not know what measures the court can put into place to prevent his continuing to do so, but I would request the court give serious consideration to placing some limits or restrictions upon Mr. Doscher's filing of motions." <br /><br /><i>From his lawsuit against Swift Transportation: </i><br /><br />“Plaintiff Christian Doscher’s Motion for Summary Judgment is based entirely in self-serving, inadmissible hearsay evidence, unsupportable legal theories and is an improper attempt to resurrect three causes of action…[which the Court] previously dismissed, with prejudice, almost a year ago. Plaintiff’s Motion exposes the weakness of all of his claims because on each of his causes of action, he cannot meet at least one essential element of his prima facie case.” <br /><br />“…Plaintiff asserts that he was improperly disciplined and forced to resign on July 31, 2007 because he was told by managers to violate the law. Significantly, Plaintiff does not identify any law Swift’s managers allegedly asked him to break. Further, according to Swift’s managers, Plaintiff was never asked to break the law…Rather, he was disciplined because he was insubordinate to supervisors, failed to communicate with supervisors, abandoned a loaded trailer of freight on a customer site, improperly used company property, and, as a result, threatened Swift’s relationship with its customer….The evidence clearly shows that rather than communicating with his supervisor when he erroneously believed his freight was overweight and explaining the reasons why he believed the trailer was overweight, he just shut off all forms of communication with his supervisor and abandoned his job assignment in violation of Company procedure.” <br /><br />“In this case, Plaintiff self-diagnoses his condition and claims he has a ‘mental disability’ that is triggered when he hauls freight from a shipper who does not have a scale on-site. Plaintiff has not produced any admissible evidence that this impairment limits his ability to work or perform any other major life activities. In fact, Plaintiff admits he is still able to work despite his alleged mental disability…. He also has not produced any doctor’s diagnoses, medical records, or any other documentation showing that he has a physiological or mental disorder that meets the definition of a ‘disability’ under applicable law.” <br /><br /><i>From a lawsuit against his state and county: </i><br /><br />“…while Mr. Doscher alleges significant harm as a result of this 1990 court order, including violations of his right to vote, own a firearm and sit on a jury, his hearsay allegations of damages are not born out by evidence in the record which shows none of that to be true…” <br /><br />“What is in the record are clear admissions by [Doscher] that he knew there was a problem with his criminal history in 1990 at the time his criminal history was transmitted by [X] County to the [State Patrol], and yet he did nothing until 2008 to challenge or otherwise correct the information…” <br /><br />“…He states that he was told nothing could be done about it by unnamed and unidentified members of the criminal justice system…But what actually happened in 2008 belies his claims that nothing could be done when he learned of the error in 1990. In 2008, Mr. Doscher availed himself of the statutory process for correcting criminal history…when [the State Patrol] received updated criminal history information in 2008, the agency promptly corrected the criminal history. Had Mr. Doscher acted similarly in 1990, when he first learned the felony was on the record, the issue would have been resolved them.” <br /><br />“If the [] State Patrol refused to let the Mr. Doscher see his records or refused to provide him an opportunity to challenge the accuracy of those records, Mr. Doscher could have asked a superior court judge to order the State Patrol to do so. Alternatively, Mr. Doscher could have simply asked a superior court judge to order the State Patrol to correct their records. The bottom line is that Mr. Doscher chose to do nothing between 1990 and 2009 when he filed this lawsuit…To the extent that Mr. Doscher continued to be damaged beyond the applicable statute of limitations it is only because he failed to file a lawsuit or seek a court order to correct the problem.” </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />“It appears that Mr. Doscher is now alleging that some unnamed employee of the XXXX County Superior Court Clerk's Office knowingly sent an erroneous Order of Probation to the [] State Patrol with the intent that the [] State Patrol should act on the erroneous Order of Probation.” <br /><br />“Mr. Doscher's allegations against this unnamed employee of the XXXXX County Superior Court Clerk's Office is based entirely on speculation. Mr. Doscher's recollection of conversation with unidentified Clerk's Office employees is hearsay of the most unreliable kind and would be inadmissible at trial.” <br /><br /><i>From his lawsuit against a local attorney: </i><br /><br />“I am the defendant in this vexatious litigation and I respond to plaintiff’s motion…” <br /><br />“One aspect of this plaintiff’s modus operandi as a vexatious litigant is to lay venue in a county distant from the plaintiff’s residence in order to create additional cost and expense in travel time. In addition, as the attachment hereto indicates, Mr. Doscher has been denied in another matter payment of court costs at public expense in [X] County (the proper county of venue for this matter), and it is my belief that he Mr. Doscher presumes that his vexatious litigation will not be allowed in [X] County.” <br /><br />“…Mr. Doscher’s vexatious litigation goes beyond the mere filing of improper, invalid, or likely invalid lawsuits, but goes to the process of litigation itself. Specifically…Mr. Doscher freely admitted to me that he would take a long time in deposition of my previous client, [Mrs. T], which deposition would ‘likely take [Mr. Doscher] several days’ to complete…” <br /><br />“[X] County Superior Court and the [State] Supreme Court have both recognized that Mr. Doscher’s requests for indigency in other of his vexatious litigation should be denied, and [Y] County should do the same.” </span><i> </i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><i> </i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><i>From a suit involving HireRight: </i><br /><br />[Doscher is a] “pro se litigant well-known to this Court” [and his motion to strike “not only lacks merit, but was plainly filed in a further and entirely improper effort to harass Defendant…[it is] just the latest installment in his ill-conceived ploy to avoid litigating the merits of his claim, a strategy that smacks of desperation because, according to Plaintiff’s sworn affidavit, he supposedly lost vital evidence when his backpack was allegedly stolen from his unlocked car. Plaintiff’s Motion to Strike is yet another shameless attempt to manipulate the legal system, and in any event, is not cognizable under the narrow grounds afforded by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure…” <br /><br />“Plaintiff’s Motion to Strike is plainly intended to deflect the Court’s attention away from the actual issues in the case and to harass Defendant by unnecessarily driving ups its expenses in responding to baseless motions….[the motion] should be denied as frivolous and improper.” <br /><br />“…the Court surely recognizes Plaintiff’s Motion for what it is – a last ditch attempt to allow Plaintiff to succeed on a Motion for Default to win the case on a technicality without actually litigating the issues…Generally speaking, the federal courts do not countenance such abusive tactics, and there is no reason for the Court to do so here.” <br /><br /><i>From a lawsuit against Public Storage: </i><br /><br />[Doscher is a] "serial pro se litigant" [and a] "known vexatious litigant who intimidates his adversaries in the hope of squeezing money out of them to 'make him go away.' " She further states that he is "simply untrustworthy and lacks any credibility whatsoever." <br /><br />“…Plaintiff is a pro se vexatious litigant, familiar with ‘crying wolf.’” <br /><br />“The attempt to extort money from [the clerk at the storage facility] was not a ‘settlement negotiation’ as claimed, it was a direct threat to sue her if she did not pay money.” <br /><br />“[Doscher] argues that, simply because he asserts something to be true, it is enough to create a genuine issue of fact….[but] there is no way a jury might reasonably believe Mr. Doscher’s version of events. [His] view of the law would create a license for serial litigants like himself to simply sue companies…based on he-said, she-said arguments that are nothing more than lies.” <br /><br /><i>From another lawsuit involving HireRight: </i><br /><br />“Doscher’s current lawsuit is a transparent attempt to revive the claims he settled in September 2012 with the aim of extracting another payment in 2013. Doscher’s conduct must not be countenanced by the Court and, instead, he must be ordered by the Court to comply with the terms of the Settlement Agreement….Doscher must not be permitted to ignore the settlement and release he signed less than one year ago in furtherance of this manufactured litigation.”</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">More to come -- here and elsewhere. </span>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-3026421966224149182018-08-31T07:43:00.001-07:002018-08-31T07:43:36.805-07:00Elliot Miller's "The Odd Faith Out"<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">I haven't been by for a while, and last time I was here I explained a bit about why. In April 2018, a dear friend of mine passed away: Elliot Miller, editor in chief of the <i>Christian Research Journal. </i>In the wake of his passing, I was asked by his wife to take up the completion of a project he did not finish -- a book on spirituality with the title <i><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GYW9XG5" target="_blank">The Odd Faith Out</a>.</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">By "completion" I don't mean I did any writing or original research. The book was a work in progress, and Elliot left behind some notes and ideas for how he planned to complete it. His plan called for a book three times the size of what was in the manuscript. All I did was add a few easing transitional phrases between sections and write a brief foreword. The rest is pretty much as Elliot left it.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It's been published now because more than anything else, Elliot wanted to be sure it could get into the hands of others who needed the information it provided. That's also why the price has been set extremely low (99 cents) -- as low as Amazon would allow, actually.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">I will be back again later in September. In the meantime, we hope that this final work by Elliot will be a blessing to all who read it.</span><br />
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-74374568589381940152018-06-15T10:09:00.002-07:002018-06-15T10:09:36.793-07:00A Tribute to Elliot Miller<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">A
few weeks ago, we received the sad news that a dear friend and
colleague had passed away. Elliot Miller was the chief editor of the <i>Christian Research Journal</i>,
and for many years he was an active presence in apologetics for the
Christian Research Institute. Elliot was also a good friend of mine, and
he and our wives would get together at least twice a year in person to
enjoy our shared interest in natural wonders and hiking at state parks.
He and his wife were also among the only people we knew who also enjoyed
visiting museums and other informational exhibits. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">We
met this past weekend with his wife to see her one last time before she
moved back to California (though we also plan to visit here there in
coming months). He and Corinne had moved to Florida some years ago, to
semi-retire, which is how we started the tradition of meeting twice a
year. They lived down on Florida's southeast coast, a two hour drive
away from us. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Elliot
had a great sense of humor. I showed him a few of my TektonTV videos,
and he always got a hearty laugh out of them. I remember he especially
enjoyed the one where I used the fiction of a time machine to bring
together versions of Hal Lindsey from various decades (70s, 80s, 90s,
and 2010s) who then confronted each other with their own errors. Like
me, he had little patience with the constantly erroneous end times
salesmen who kept changing their tune each time their predictions went
awry. He was also a prolific writer, and his volumes of research work,
especially on cults and Eastern mysticism, will continue to provide
value for seekers in the years to come. And of course, he was an able
juggler of the many responsibilities that went into editing and
publishing the leading Christian apologetics journal in the world.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">I
offer this tribute as a way to say goodbye to him as a friend and
colleague, but also to say that there's a certain torch I have pledged
to take up for him, and that will be gladly occupying my time for a
while. I'll release more details when they become available. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">We will miss you, Elliot. See you again soon.</span><br />
Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-27980427057588407532018-06-01T09:05:00.001-07:002018-06-01T09:07:55.455-07:00The Stewed Tomato Trap<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">As
Jesse Duplantis begs for $54 million to buy a jet plane, let's remember
this little ditty popularized by Josh McDowell (though I am sure he
didn't originate the basic idea):</span><br />
<br />
<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">For example, suppose a student comes into the room and says, “Hey-I
have a stewed tomato in my right tennis shoe. This tomato has changed my
life. It has given me peace and love and joy that I never experienced
before.” It’s hard to argue with a student like that if his life backs
up what he says. </span></i><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Yes,
it's hard to argue with a student like that, but it's not because his
life backs up what he says. It's because we long ago fell into this
trap where subjective experience trumps objective fact.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In
an objective sense, you could run that student in circles with
arguments on why the stewed tomato isn't that cause of his peace. The
most obvious point is that it has the bearing of the tail wagging the
dog. But the real reason you can't argue with this student is because
all the relevant data is locked away in his skull behind a wall of what
some politely call confirmation bias. You can't argue with it if the
student <i>wants </i>it to be true.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The
corollary point to this is where we segue into Duplantis' $54 million
excursion into foolishness. This is just the latest of so many examples.
(Who remembers Oral Roberts saying God would "call him home" if his
followers didn't pony up $8 million? Oral's people were getting a
relative bargain.) It is also the fruit of the stewed tomato trap. Under
the assumption that you can't argue with experiences of peace, love and
joy, it follows as a corollary in the minds of critics that you also
can't argue with expressions of greed, selfishness, and dissatisfaction.
Christianity (the stewed tomato) has changed Duplantis' life this way?
No thanks. Directions to the nearest Buddhist temple, please.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">McDowell
used the stewed tomato analogy a lot in his time. It was no surprise
then that when I asked him some questions many years ago, he said that
he never started with apologetics when talking to people and that his
apologetics works were not meant to be evangelistic tools. He said as
much as well in <i>Evidence That Demands A Verdict</i>: His goal was to use apologetics to answer questions so he could get back to presenting the stewed tomato.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Attitudes
like this are no aid to apologetics, and foolish excursions like the
one Duplantis is on only make the job of apologetics harder. Thanks to
the stewed tomato trap, it is hard to argue against it.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-33869876853367633072018-02-02T08:45:00.000-08:002018-02-02T08:45:35.979-08:00Christianity vs. The Modern World?<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Today I have a guest piece by regular E-Block contributor Caleb Strom.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">*** </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">This past November, there was an international Flat Earth
Conference where people from around the globe gathered to talk about the fact
that Earth is not a globe. The irony is hard to ignore. I have been hearing
more from flat earthers in recent years. Ten years ago, it seemed that almost
all flat earthers were trolls and that the only genuine flat earthers were
obscure tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists who only existed on shady
internet discussion forums where topics such as Barack Obama being a Reptilian
and the Holocaust being a hoax were also common subjects of discussion. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">For the most part, that remains to be true. All flat
earthers I have encountered are conspiracy theorists. One thing that is
different is that they are much more vocal than they used to be. Certain flat
earthers are now traveling to different churches giving talks about how the
modern scientific cosmology is a deception to lead the world astray and pave
the way for the rule of the anti-Christ. I wish I was joking about the last
part. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">This increase in the ubiquity of flat earthers may be
related to the general distrust that people have of experts these days in the
wake of the recent election. This is after all, the age of alternative facts.
If you don’t want to believe experts about politics, Earth’s climate or whether
vaccines cause autism, why believe experts about the shape of the earth? </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">At any rate, what I found striking about this flat earth
phenomenon that relates to Christian apologetics is that these flat earth
believers sounded exactly like new atheists. These flat earth believers, like
new atheists, believe that modern science and the Bible are incompatible. The
only difference is where they fall on the divide. For new atheists, since the
Bible and science appear to contradict, the Bible must be wrong. For the flat
earthers since their interpretation of the Bible and modern science contradict,
modern science must be wrong. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Heliocentrism, the sphericity of the earth (it’s technically
an oblate spheroid), and most of modern physics are seen by these flat earthers
as being anti-Christian and an attempt to undermine Biblical authority and the
Christian worldview. This is in spite of the fact that the scientists who
championed heliocentrism originally were devout Christians. In fact most of the
founders of modern science were Christians whether you look at astronomy,
physics, biology, chemistry, or even geology. This is interestingly the exact
same argument I would use if I was talking to an atheist who was telling me
that Christianity was anti-science. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Both groups interestingly display the same simplistic binary
thinking with respect to Christianity and science and both seem to have
accepted the conflict thesis, that science and religion are always in conflict. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Although I am not worried that flat earthers are going to
take over Christianity, what this odd little collection of conspiracy theorists
reflects is more troubling. It reflects the larger reality of how many
Christians have bought into the idea that modern science and the modern world
in general are a threat to Christianity. Many see Christianity as outdated in
an age of electricity, nuclear power, democracy, capitalism, and technology
that can send us to other worlds. Christianity seems like outdated superstition
to many. It is not just non-Christians who believe this but Christians as well.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Another, more serious version of this view of Christianity
and the modern world being in conflict is the more recent Benedict Option in
politics to withdraw as the culture becomes increasingly post-Christian and
anti-Christian. Is it true? Do we have to now simply withdraw from the modern
world and try to reconstruct the world of the Middle Ages when orthodox
apostolic Christianity was synonymous with reality as far as the culture was
concerned?</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Simply going back to the Middle Ages, the Byzantine period,
or any other time perceived as golden age for Christianity is not possible, and
it is probably not desirable either. Although there were good things about the
Middle Ages, there were other things about the Middle Ages which were not as
good and the modern world is a legitimate improvement in those areas such as
living standards. I also do not think it is necessary.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">First of all, much of the modern world was brought into
being partly because of Christianity. Modern western science, political
thought, and economics were all influenced by Christianity in one way or
another even if they have all gone astray recently. If they were once in line
with Christian thought, they can be brought back into alignment. This of course
will require Christians to think seriously about how their faith relates to the
world and how they can show that Christianity has relevance in these areas and
not simply deny reality and accuse everyone who disagrees with them of being a
conspiracy theorist.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Another thing to consider is that just because the modern
world is in some ways in conflict with Christianity does not mean it can never
be reconciled. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Christianity grew up in the context of the pagan Greco-Roman
world which was at first very hostile to Christianity. Over time however, the
early church fathers and other theologians such as Saint Thomas Aquinas and
Saint Augustine were able to find ways to connect Christianity and the
Hellenistic world to show that they had common ground. In a few centuries,
Christian theology and classical thought had been so completely reconciled that
it was hard to tell the difference between Catholic Christian thought and
Aristotelian thought. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">In Hellenistic times, there were also Christians who thought
that the Hellenistic world and science were at odds with Christian thought. The
monk Cosmas <span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">Indicopleustes</span>, who
was one of the very few early Christian writers to actually believe in a flat
earth, believed that all Hellenistic thought should be rejected because it was
pagan. That is in fact why he rejected Ptolemaic geocentrism, the mainstream
science of the day, because it was a Greek idea, and thus, in his mind, a pagan
one.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">This struggle in the early Church over how to relate to the
Hellenistic world sounds rather similar to the modern struggle in the church
with adapting to the increasingly non-Christian modern world. If the early
Christians were able to reconcile their faith and worldview with their world,
why can’t we do the same with ours?</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">This is one of the purposes of apologetics, taking ideas that
may be contrary to Christianity and molding them so that they can be reconciled
with Christianity. We should not run from modern science or deny it, but engage
it and show that Christianity is not in conflict with it but can be reconciled.
We also need to do this with the rest of the modern world. In the same way that
Medieval theologians created a grand synthesis of Christian and Classical
thought, perhaps in our age, we need a synthesis of Christian and “modern”
thought.</span></div>
Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-83301719747108994112017-06-23T09:05:00.001-07:002017-06-23T09:05:40.886-07:00Incurious Apostates<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">This past week I issued an updated
version of part of my past book on the so-called "Jesus Myth" (the
thesis that Jesus did not exist, not even as a person on Earth). The
focus of the update was references to Jesus in extra-biblical sources
like Josephus and Tacitus. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The
update reminded me that one of my chief gauges for whether an atheist
is worth any serious attention is their treatment of the reference to
Jesus in Tacitus' <i>Annals</i>. I don't think I'm overstating it when I
say that my discussion of this reference is the most thorough out there
from the perspective of debunking the Jesus Myth thesis. I pulled in
works of multiple Tacitean scholars (Syme, Ash, Mendell, etc.) as well
as Christian scholars, and I scoured atheist works for any and all
arguments I could find. I also keep up on any new ones, if any pop up.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">So,
whenever I pick up a book by an atheist that I need to review, I
immediately turn to the index (or use an online search method) to see
what they have to say about Tacitus. That gives me an idea whether to
expect a volume worthy of at least some respect, or something better
suited for rolling on to a cardboard tube.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">By way of example, John Loftus has been giving props to an atheist work by an author named David Chumney, titled <i>Jesus Eclipsed</i>.
Now on first glance, this Chumney doesn't seem like your garden variety
fundy atheist. Yes, he's an apostate minister, but he was a minister in
the Presbyterian church for 30 years. So in that time, you'd think he'd
have picked up some notion of how to do things the right way. Right?</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Wrong.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> Here's
a screenshot of his ENTIRE analysis of Tacitus' reference to Jesus,
plus a list of the sources he uses. (It does not include background
information Chumney provides, like the quote itself.)</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">To
say this was a pathetic treatment of the issue would be too kind. The
two arguments Chumney gives -- that Jesus is called "Christ" and not
"Jesus," and that Tacitus based his report on what Christians said --
have been repeatedly debunked; France's assessment is NOT shared by
anyone with any level of expertise on Tacitus; Tacitean scholars do NOT
regard Tacitus as someone who would be that blase' about his sourcework.
Chumney has no sources from Tacitean scholarship. This is a botch job
of the worst order, but it is apparently the best Chumney can do on this
subject.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">So,
why is that the case? Is Chumney lazy? Ignorant? Incompetent? A victim
of confirmation bias? All of the above? I have no idea, but I do know
that anyone who descends to this level of incompetence does not deserve
serious attention. Chumney and other atheists/apostates grind out this
sort of stuff like clockwork, and in turn it is vacuously promoted by
the likes of Loftus. Why? Do they not know or care how this makes them
look? Do they not realize that it makes them look as incurious and as
uneducated as the Christians they so happily depict as 24/7 Homer
Simpson headslap performers?</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Maybe
it doesn't matter to them as long as they can continue sell their books
to each other and sit in their ever-growing circle of mutual high
fivers.</span>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-38585593239448020602017-06-16T07:51:00.004-07:002017-06-16T07:51:51.422-07:00The Kingdom of the Trolls<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">For
this post I’d like to talk about trolls and the death of expertise. No, I am
not combining Tolkein with that excellent book by Tom Nichols. The trolls I
speak of (and which Nichols refers to in his own way) are ignorant and foolish
people who do things like post silly and stupid reviews on Amazon Books, or
post silly and stupid comments on blogs, or write silly and stupid blog posts.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">I have
in mind in particular a troll on Amazon who goes by the moniker “DS”, but I’ll
call him Stumpy. Stumpy has a long-term habit of posting silly and stupid
reviews of my books on Amazon, as well as other books, none of which there is
any evidence he has read. Not surprisingly, the “Verified Purchase” mark seldom
if ever shows on his reviews. Here’s a couple of examples of his reviews, and
yes, these are the entirety of what he posts:</span></div>
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<i>
</i><br />
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<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">J.P.
Holding's writings, as usual, seem rather void of intelligence. I would not
even give him one stale donut for this book.</span></i></div>
<i>
</i><br />
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<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">No
donuts for this book Holding, as you make the same apologetics mistakes you
always do.</span></i></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">As you
can see, Stumpy has an obsession with donuts. I suspect it’s because he needs
to sugar rush in order to fire his brain up in the morning. Either that, or the
hole in the middle reminds him of his IQ score.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">You’ll
also notice that he never explains any of these obviously substantive criticisms.
He never gives examples of mistakes, or of how any item he reviews is “void of
intelligence”. And I’m not the only author this Chihuahua lifts his leg this
way on. Here’s his review of a book titled <i>Resurrection Fact:</i></span></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">The
Resurrection nonsense. If you build a case on unsubstantiated anecdotes in 2000
year old ancient mythic sounding tales, then you get a nice apologetics cream
of crap.</span></i></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">Nor are
scholars immune to Stumpy’s dead expertise. Take for example Stumpy’s entire
review of Richard Bauckham’s <i>Jesus and the Eyewitnesses</i>:</span></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">Apologetics
nonsense. Plain and simple.</span></i></div>
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<br /></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">And here’s
Stumpy’s entire review of Bill Arnold’s <i>Introduction to the Old Testament:</i></span></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">Basically
a well polished apologetics book trying to uphold the old testament as true. See
instead: Michael Coogans Old Testament Intro.</span></i></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">There’s
two pointers here about the way Stumpy’s mind doesn’t work. One is that he has
this mental ossification which causes him to think that calling something “apologetics”
is somehow debunking it or making some kind of worthwhile point. It never
occurs to him that any work that presents information is by nature an “apologetic”
for whatever point of view is in that work, or whatever facts that work presents
or vouches for. His own review is an “apologetic” for a view that this book isn’t
any good.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">Second,
by comparison, look at the endorsements this book has:</span></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">"Arnold
has provided an introduction to the Old Testament for the twenty-first century
unlike any other to date. Recognizing the influence of this collection on the
three great monotheistic faiths of today, Arnold explores the significance of
monotheism throughout Israel's Scriptures while also providing a thorough,
balanced, and informed introduction to the texts themselves. Highly
recommended!" W. Dennis Tucker, Jr, George W. Truett Theological Seminary, Baylor University<br />
<br />
"This is one of the best resources I've seen in a long time. The clarity
of writing makes this a perfect primer for those who are new to the Bible. The
breadth of topics makes it a wonderful review for those who are well versed in
the Scriptures. I will be recommending this work to students and colleagues
alike!" <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Roy L. Heller, Perkins
School of Theology, Southern Methodist University<br />
<br />
"In this volume, Bill T. Arnold adopts a literary approach to the Old
Testament that also pays particular attention to monotheism: one of its signal
contributions to religious history. The result is a truly interesting, highly
engaging, and deeply relevant introduction. A further boon: Arnold's erudition,
considered adjudication of contested matters, and pedagogical savvy are on
display at every turn." <br />
Brent A. Strawn, Emory University</span></i></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">So here’s
what we have. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Three scholars say one
thing. Stumpy says something else. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">I’ll
bet he’s too stupid to even blink at that point.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">I’m far
from the only one who has noticed that Stumpy’s a little short on the details
and brains department. One review went as follows:</span></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">this
book sucks. its just typical apologetics. you want truth, here is truth, the
gospel writers wrote of Jesus using Hellenistic mythic garb. check out David
Litwa's book Iesus Deus and or Cartlidge and Dungan's Documents for the Study
of the Gospels 2nd ed and or Charles Talbert's What is a Gospel.</span></i></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">Here
are some comments on that review:</span></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">This
is not a serious book review. It does not discuss the books contents, nor does
it offer a mature critique. Its a personal attack and simply cites other books
apparently for rebuttal. This book will touch a nerve for many--as it obviously
has for the said "reviewer". No one would react as he/she has unless
they saw it as a serious challenge to their "faith" (We all have
faith in something, even if its against Jesus.) Any book that would rattle a
person like that is well worth a look see. I've ordered my copy. </span></i></div>
<i>
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<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">If
you look at his rating of book, he rates all books that support belief in Jesus
as 1 star and everything that does not as 5 stars. He seems unable to state good
reasons why the author is wrong. I do not believe he read those books. If he
didn't read them and wrote a review anyway then he would have benefited by
Jesus teachings on being honest. </span></i></div>
<i>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;"><i>If you
want anyone to take your opinion seriously, you need to give more explanation
about how you arrived at your conclusions, including addressing specifics in
the book itself. </i><br />
<br /><i>
I've read the book and the author gives solid arguments and evidence to back up
his claims.</i></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">In
the end, it’s a lot like what I said in this vid:</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">The
amount of trust and uncritical acceptance some people place in things like
Amazon reviews or blogs is pretty horrifying, especially when we know nothing
about them at all, as is the case with Stumpy. For all we know, Stumpy, or any
person writing a review, or an entry or comment on a blog, could be mentally
ill, or they could have a personality disorder. Or they might be someone who
has nothing more than a high school education, and has never worked as anything
more than a day laborer or a truck driver. Or it might be someone who spends
all day doing nothing but leaving troll comments on blogs, writing trolling
blog entries on multiple blogs they have started, and writing troll reviews on
Amazon or on other neutral websites. Tom Nichols has rightly bemoaned the death
of expertise; Andrew Keen has correctly identified the cult of the amateur. Stumpy
is a good example of a charter member of that cult.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">Stumpy
hasn’t completely gotten away with his nonsense, though he is also too thick to
get the message of things like those comments, and things like “</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">6 of 149 people found
the following review helpful.” Let’s not cease shining sunlight on these trolls
and turning them to stone.</span></div>
<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-16822913474811312472017-04-14T10:40:00.001-07:002017-05-21T18:32:29.839-07:00Captain Caveman vs Hank Hanegraaff<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">A major news item in apologetics
came out this week, as it was announced that Hank Hanegraaff, the President of
the Christian Research Institute (CRI), had formally joined an Orthodox Church.
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This post won’t exactly be about that,
though, beyond a few immediate disclaimers and caveats.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">First, I have only positive
impressions of the Orthodox Church and of Hanegraaff’s decision. Readers may
search this blog for a series I did with the title Journey Through Orthodoxy,
wherein I make some observations about Orthodoxy. It’s not for me, but some of
my belie<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">f</span>s match theirs (and I arrived at those beliefs independent of knowing
what Orthodoxy believed).</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Second, it’s only fair to remind
readers that I have deep connections to CRI and have written extensively for
the <i>Christian Research Journal.</i> I also consider the editor of the <i>Journal</i>,
Elliot Miller, and his wife to be close personal friends. I have had
interactions with many staff members at CRI over the years, including
Hanegraaff. Most recently, he and I shared a telephone call during which we
discussed eschatology.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Now with all that said, here’s what
this post is about: It’s about how certain fundamentalist personalities have
foolishly reacted to Hanegraaff’s joining with Orthodoxy. I have in mind
particularly a certain brutish thug named Jeff Maples, at the insipid “P<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">u<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">lpit</span></span>
and Pen” blog, where you dare not raise scholarship for fear of being burned at
an electronic stake. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Maples loudly bonks his forehead down on
each and every one of the piano keys that is hit when a fundamentalist sees
someone convert to one of the so-called “smells and bells” denominations (as
one other crude item put it). He cites 1 Timothy 4:1 about “deceitful spirits
and doctrines of demons,” in spite of the fact that Maples has no theological
education to speak of and would find doctrines of demons in the contents of a
Chuck E. Cheese menu. He hauls out the same idiotic objection to “graven images”
which Dan Barker the atheist uses to condemn everything from the Ark of the
Covenant to illustrated Bibles. (Maples has no idea what graven images actually
were, of course: They were like phone booths to the gods, unlike Orthodox icons which are more like educational visual aids.) It speaks for itself that Maples is so theologically and
historically inept that he unleashes an objection that is exactly the same as
that of one of the world’s most ill-educated ex-Christian atheists. And yes, he
spews a torrent on how Orthodoxy gets it wr<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">o</span>ng on salvation, grace, and faith,
though you can be sure he has no idea how first century people defined those
terms in the context of a patronage relationship, much less would he appreciate
the nuances of difference in how those terms are used in each setting.<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" />
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">In light of that, we need the Large
Economy Size Irony Meter to celebrate when Maples belches forth that Hanegraaff’s
joining with Orthodoxy “should be a testimony of the dismal state of the
evangelical church in our modern day. There is a sure lack of biblical truth
and doctrinal stability to which many can be left wandering.” Oh really? Mind
you: Hanegraaff is certainly in the top 10% of informed Christians today when
it comes to truth and doctrine, and it is only Captain Caveman clones like
Maples who are screaming their objections – not scholars like Mike Licona, or
Craig Blomberg, or Ben Witherington. For an itinerant pixel-scribbler like
Maples to use this as an example of decay in the church is like Pee Wee Herman
telling Steve Austin that he needs some strength training.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Maples babbles further that this is “an
example of what happens when professing Christians elevate something other than
Scripture as the final authority on all things.” The funny thing is that Maples
doesn’t realize that he “elevates” the English language as a final authority
every time he cracks open his Bible (KJV, eh?). Like most such inepts, Maples
is oblivious to how defining contexts are part and parcel of the defining of
Scripture. They are necessarily “elevated” in tandem. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Such gall as this naturally arouses
curiosity in me. So I looked into Maples’ history to see if he might even have
a smidgen of authority to run his mouth on this subject. Of course he doesn’t;
he’s a classic poster boy for Nichols’ epitaph over expertise. In a paper-or-plastic
testimony, Maples testifies mainly to his prior ignorance, saying that he “</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">was one of those
who grew up thinking I was saved because I had raised my hand and prayed a
prayer…” He also says, “I don’t remember a lot of deep theological bible (sic) study
or preaching.” His main concern though is that he “never had a youth pastor or
preacher make me uncomfortable enough in my sin to either repent–or leave.” He
also didn’t have a youth pastor who fed his brain, apparently.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">
</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">On Maples goes, telling us one of those typical personal testimonies that
sometimes seems more like a sample of pornography than a meaningful account:
Lurid detail, not fact, lies at the heart of such stories, as even here where
Maples tells us: “Drinking and partying became a prominent part of my life. I
felt no guilt over it.” His initial cure for this was to join the military, but
while stationed overseas he fell into more partying and drugs, and ended up
going to jail. But finally, and thankfully, he got out of that mess and became
a Christian.</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">
</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">Anything missing? You bet: The authority to tell off someone like
Hanegraaff.</span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">
</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">Not one iota of Maples’ biography gives any hint that he has the know-how to
judge Hanegraaff or anyone else. Not one seminary class. Not one reference book
by a scholar. The best we get is that he went to church with his Roman Catholic
spouse, and seems to have been a bit discomfited. After that, we get a few
quotes from fundamentalist comfort-food speaker Charles Spurgeon. Obligatory
comparisons to the Laodecian church in Revelation. Satan waved around on a
popsicle stick. Hangdog laments about how wicked humans are. And this:</span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br /></span></span></span></span>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">
</span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">I don’t care if people think I’m mean. I don’t care if people think I’m
divisive. I don’t care if people think I should “tone down the rhetoric.” I
don’t care if people unfriend me, on social media or real life. I don’t care if
anonymous trolls attack me online. People are dying and going to Hell faster
and faster every day. We don’t have time to sit down and have coffee with
everyone. If you believe that somehow my “tone” or “kindness” is going to
interfere with the Holy Spirit working through the truth of God’s word being
spoken, you need to rethink your beliefs. There are people out there, lost,
just like I was, and if someone doesn’t reach them with the truth, their
eternity is Hell.</span></i></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br /></span></span></span></span>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">
</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">OK, Mr. Maples, I agree. So here’s my take on that: </span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: small;">We don’t need ignorant people like you running your mouth on these subjects.
And you’re a perfect example of the problem of the Internet, where someone who
is unschooled as you are, or someone with a personality disorder, or someone
who didn’t even finish third grade, has the ability to lash out and disrespect their
betters without any justification. You and other babblers like you are not
channeling the Holy Spirit; you are not speaking God’s Word, and you are not in
any position to tell anyone, not even an atheist, that they need to rethink
their beliefs. The mere fact that you have a Bible in your hand doesn’t make
you as authoritative as its ultimate author. What you really need to do is shut
up and go serve someplace like a soup kitchen. <span style="line-height: 107%;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: small;"><span style="line-height: 107%;">Of course, Maples would never heed such advice; no
doubt the Holy Spirit is telling him right now how he is a righteous saint
being persecuted by Holding, who is no better than an apostate. That being the
case, all someone like me can continue to do is what I do now – make an effort
to make sure caveman like Maples are countered with a loud voice. </span></span></span></div>
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-18100576559026369612017-03-31T06:46:00.001-07:002017-03-31T06:46:56.746-07:00Ancient Historical Writing as an Atheist's Inerrant Scripture<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">One of my projects this week has been an examination of claims by one of the supposedly better-educated atheist critics out there. I'm finding that, as usual, even when they have degrees, the education these folks have pretty much stops at the tip of their own noses.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">One of the arguments made by this character is that the Gospels don't deserve our trust because they lack certain features of what they take to be reliable histories. For example, they quote the following from <span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Dionysius of Halicarnassus:</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><em>For perhaps readers who are already familiar with Hieronymus, Timaeus, </em></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><em>Polybius, or any other historian that I mentioned a short while ago as being careless in their works, when they do not find many things in my own writings that are mentioned in theirs, will suspect me of fabricating them, and will want to know where I learned of such things. Lest anyone should hold such an opinion of me, it seems better that I should state in advance what narratives and records I have used as sources.</em></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">According to this critic, the Gospels would have a lot more credibility if they included stuff like this where the authors discuss their sources. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Yeah, right. </span><span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">If you believe for one minute that any atheist would suddenly give the Gospels more credibility if only Matthew or Luke or whoever had gone on some skein like the one above, I have some land here in Florida to sell you. It's a great deal, you just have to evict the giant mouse living there right now.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">That's the most obvious problem, but here are a few more. The first is that this amounts to a ridiculous argument that no author has e.g., made use of sources unless they say something like the above. The second is that while an author like Dionysius had plenty of scratch available to publish their works, the authors of the Gospels generally did not -- especially because they were publishing for a mass audience, whereas Dionysus was publishing for a small group of like-minded peers. I have yet to see an atheist critic take any serious accounting of the fact that this wasn't a world where you could pop down to Office Depot and buy a ream of paper for $5.59. This was a world where paper (or parchment or whatever) was an expensive luxury. Yet they have a fit when the Gospel authors don't expend their limited resources to lay out what amounts to methodological window dressing.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">The last problem I'll note, though, is the most significant one, and it indicates a blind spot in atheist critics that is as serious as that of a KJV-Only fundamentalist. Basically, atheist critics often take a profession of critical examination (like the one above by Dionysius) and turn it into a citation from inerrant Scripture. You've seen it before: For example, all Carl Sagan had to do was babble, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," and suddenly he became a deity who could say and do no wrong, not even when it comes to his screwed-up history of the Library of Alexandria.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">What escapes such critics is that a statement like the above is anything but a profession of objectivity and careful source-filtering. </span><span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Basically, here's what it is really for: Dionysius is covering his backside in case he is called a liar. He is concerned about his personal honor, which was the primo #1 concern of members of honor-shame societies. </span><span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">What the critic takes to be an explanation by Dionysius of historical rigor is actually little more than an extended pre-emptive exercise in covering his own posterior and protecting his honor rating, and that undoubtedly from peers all too willing to savage it in a context where honor was seen as a zero-sum game. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">There were plenty of other motives for Dionysius to say stuff like this, and a cynic who treated his work like the critics treat the Gospels might be apt to pull those out also. The basic description of Dionysius' work indicates that Dionysius "states that his objects in writing history were to please lovers of noble deeds and to repay the benefits he had enjoyed in Rome." Read that through the lens of that social world, and it amounts to him writing as a way to repay the favor shown to him by his patrons or others from whom he had received benefits. Put in a nutshell, his history was a work of<em> quid pro quo</em>. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">The standard description also says that one of Dionysius' purposes was to "reconcile Greeks to Roman rule." That sure sounds like an objective measure, doesn't it? Sort of like, a 19th century slave owner writing tales of how happy all the slaves were as a way to "reconcile" their chattel to slavery. Yes, using that logic, we definitely have someone here who was writing the A-1 Steak Sauce Objective History of Rome, don't we?</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">In light of all that, it's more than a little laughable when critics downgrade the Gospels for being documents meant to encourage faith in Christ. Dionysius was writing for people who wanted to hear things they wanted to hear; a cynic might argue that he was under what amounted to a censor's control and that his history was therefore to be taken with the proverbial grain of salt. Therefore, it could be argued, his work is entirely untrustworthy. If anything, if we follow this logic to the end, the Gospels are clearly more objective histories than those of Dionysius, because at least the authors don't fill their text with a lot of self-serving descriptions of how gloriously competent they were, and they also at least were not in the pay of some patron who wanted them to make the local home team smell like a rose garden in order to placate the guys who were being compelled to spade the manure.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">I'm not actually arguing that, of course. But I am pointing out just how easy it is to allow your ideology to govern the discussion. And that's exactly what atheist critics do when they complain that the Gospels deserve an F because e.g., they don't imitate Dionysius' self-serving rhetoric.</span>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-63443723235025300002016-09-09T10:21:00.002-07:002016-09-09T10:21:23.097-07:00"I Am Second"<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">You may have seen billboards for a ministry that uses the
title, “I Am Second.” It’s a sort of collection of personal testimonies, and
we’re to presume, I gather, that the meaning is that God is first. I’m
certainly not here to disagree with the general thrust of that sentiment, but I
will be borrowing that ministry’s catchphrase to celebrate, with a certain
amount of humble trepidation, a milestone that I never expected to happen when
I first sat down at a computer to debate Skeptics on AOL debate forums in 1996.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">By 1998, many of you may remember, I was part of another
online ministry called the Christian Apologetics Bookshelf. Somewhere in that
time period, someone suggested to me that I might try submitting an article to
the C<i>hristian Research Journal</i> (CRJ), the leading apologetics magazine. My
memory is somewhat dim on the chronic details; I seem to recall that by then I
had already been approached by Dr. Jonathan Sarfati of Creation Ministries
International to write something for their journal. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">(By the way, Dr. Sarfati has remained a good friend ever
since; we’ve even had him over for dinner, and once took him to Outback
Steakhouse, where we had a ball passing him off as a sort of ambassadorial
inspector who was visiting from Australia to make sure that the chain was
“properly representing” his home nation. The look on the server’s face when Dr.
Sarfati whipped out his Australian drivers’ license was priceless.)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">I had some hesitation about submitting something to CRJ, and
hedged for a bit. The stellar names who wrote for that august publication were
an imposing lot, and I had very little thought that I would pass their rigorous
standards for publication. Still, I was encouraged by various parties to give
it a try, and I did so. The result was an article titled, “Celsus Strikes
Again,” which was all about how the ancient pagan critic Celsus made the same
arguments that modern critics of Christianity do. I packaged it up, sent it
off, and waited.</span></div>
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editorial muster, and I moved on to other things, including more work for CMI.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">Then, sometime I think in early 2000, I got a phone call. On
the other end was Elliot Miller, the editor of the <i>Journal</i>. I remember very
little of the exact words of our conversation, but what it amounted to was,
they had found my article in a file somewhere, and wanted to publish it. The
few exact words I do remember were me saying, “I can’t believe this is
happening” – more than once. And in turn, Elliot Miller replying: “It’s
happening.” And indeed it did.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">After that it was a sort of snowball effect. Bob Passantino,
who was then associated with CRI, called me about a year later after reading my
analysis of Dennis MacDonald’s <i>Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark.</i> He wanted
me to create a condensed version for the <i>Journal</i>. That was the first time
someone there called me to write something for them. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">The next two articles were my own submissions: A look at
popular Mormon apologetics works (like those of Barry Bickmore) and a
discussion of how evangelism in the book of Acts was actually a form of apologetics.
One assignment shortly after that was a particularly sad one. Bob Passantino
called me again, asking me to do an article on <i>The DaVinci Code. </i>He passed away
soon thereafter, and as far as I know, I’m the last person he called to give a
writing assignment.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">From there it went on with an eclectic mix of submissions
and assignments: Several book reviews, a few “departmental” articles, and
several “feature-length” articles. My memory of most of them, at this later
date, is fairly dim, such that I can re-read them today and not even recall
writing them. Tekton readers will recognize some of the topics as related to
favorite themes of mine: E.g., an article on how to deal with people who
suffered from “the Dunning effect”; on the question of Hitler’s religious
beliefs; a review of M<i>isreading Scripture with Western Eyes</i>; an article on how
“inerrancy” is to be defined, and a review of the <i>Zeitgeist </i>movie.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">(That last one is the butt of a special joke among friends
of mine. I had pledged, at one time, to never watch the <i>Zeitgeist </i>movie, and
Nick Peters, my junior ministry partner, along with his friend David Sorrell,
started a running gag asking when I would review the <i>Zeitgeist </i>movie. When I
finally did watch it, in order to write the article for CRJ, the terms of the
joke changed, but the joke itself didn’t.)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">CRI also made use of my knowledge in other, more specialized
areas. In 2005, knowing that I had worked for many years in the Florida prison
system, they asked me to do an article on religious movements in prisons. In
2011, I used my background in library science to compose an article which in
many ways I consider my favorite and most technical: it was about how the
Internet affects the human brain, and how this relates to the performance of
apologetics. Also in 2011, I submitted an article that was all about how to
create online videos.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">It was about that time, in 2011, that something first occurred
to me. I had been averaging between 2-3 articles for CRI each year, and it made
me curious as to whether anyone else had kept that kind of pace with them. So I
started with the contents of the magazine from 1978 (when it was still called
“Forward” magazine), counting the number of articles attributed to each author,
excluding anyone who was an editor.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">Much to my surprise, I was on pace to become CRI’s
second-most prolific non-editorial writer within a few years. And now, with the
publication of an article in the latest issue, titled “Jephthah’s Bloodless
Sacrifice,” that is exactly what has happened. Formally, I have now authored
enough articles for CRI to pass James White and say, of this category, and with
the same humility that puts God in first place: “I am second.”</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">I say this, again, with a certain amount of humble
trepidation, much like those on that personal testimony website. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It was an unexpected privilege to find myself
in this position, and I will forever be grateful to Elliot Miller, as well as
Melanie Cogdill (the managing editor at the <i>Journal</i>) and Hank Hanegraaff for
making this possible. I never expected to get that first article published; and
even after it was published, I certainly never expected to receive any more
assignments. To be at this stage, now, is a surprise of such magnitude that I
find myself repeating that same phrase I pronounced to Elliot Miller: “I can’t
believe this is happening.” It is. But I still can’t believe it even as I have
that milestone issue lying on the desk beside me.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">Elliot in particular has been a special blessing to my wife
and I, and you’ll note that I refer to him by his first name, as though to a
friend. That is exactly what he and his wife Corinne are to us. A few years
back, they moved to the southern part of Florida, and proposed a get-together
in person. Much to our delight, we found in them a couple of kindred spirits
who appreciated many of the same things we do: Nature walks, museums, and zoos,
for example; and naturally, we talk shop about apologetics. We now have an
established biannual ritual where we visit one another in our respective
hometowns: They come see us in May, we go see them in December. The friendship
of the Millers has been, in many ways, the most treasured reward that has come
of my work with CRI, and I look forward to many more years of serving that
publication and visiting with our special brother and sister in faith. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">And so this post is offered to memorialize this happy
occasion, which I never in my wildest dreams expected to happen. At the same
time I’m celebrating this milestone, though, there’s also a crueler and darker
mechanism at work which it is time I said a great deal more about, though I
alluded to it back in February. Someone has outright made it his purpose to
destroy all that Tekton has worked for, and he’s not in the least ashamed of
his tactics. I’ll save that, though, for another posting; and that one posting,
when I make it, will be the only one to be made on the Ticker in coming weeks
until I get certain matters resolved.</span></div>
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first, and when will I catch up to them? If you’re interested, I’ll tell you by
email who’s first; regardless, I won’t ever catch up to him, nor have I made it
my goal to do so. The man in first place has been writing for CRI for ten years
longer than I have, and he’s got more the double the writing credits with them.
I won’t even try to catch up to him, and I actually prefer to be “second”
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-16550662747980863222015-12-04T06:49:00.004-08:002020-11-16T06:55:57.661-08:00Thomas Jefferson's ThanksgivingThe post this week is by guest contributor W. R. Miller.<br />
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>In
recent years a new Thanksgiving tradition has developed:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>people complaining about <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Critics allege that our third president, Thomas Jefferson, regarded
Thanksgiving as “The most ridiculous idea I’ve ever heard.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>As of this writing, a Google search yields
581 results of this statement, coupled with “Jefferson” and “Thanksgiving.”</div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Did
Jefferson really say those words?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What
documentation is cited by the skeptics?</div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Virtually,
none.</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;">
<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Thanks
to the digital revolution, a comprehensive repository of published materials
from the eighteenth and nineteenth century is available online.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Newsbank offers America’s Historical
Newspapers, America’s Historical Imprints. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Gale provides Eighteenth Century Collections
Online, The Making of the Modern World, Sabin Americana, Nineteen Century
Collections Online, and Nineteenth Century U.S. Newspapers.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Digitized newspapers are also available
through ProQuest and Access Newspaper Archive.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Do these sources document the quote?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>No.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Neither is there any citation
at Thomas Jefferson’s libraries at <a href="http://tjlibraries.monticello.org/">Monticello</a>.</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;">
<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Why
do critics not cite the source of their claim?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Perhaps because the quote is bogus.</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;">
<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>J.
P. Holding pursued the matter online and could find no usage of the quote
earlier than 2006—nearly two centuries after Jefferson’s death.</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;">
<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Why
would Jefferson disparage Thanksgiving?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The
concept was commonplace in early American history as documented in the
Thanksgiving Proclamations stored <a href="http://www.classicapologetics.com/special/thanks.html">here</a>.</div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>It
may shock critics to learn that when Jefferson was governor of Virginia, he
issued a Thanksgiving proclamation, on November 11, 1779:</div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span><a href="http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-03-02-0187">Here it
is</a>:</div>
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WHEREAS the Honourable the General
Congress, impressed with a grateful sense of the goodness of Almighty God, in
blessing the greater part of this extensive continent with plentiful harvests,
crowning our arms with repeated successes, conducting us hitherto safely
through the perils with which we have been encompassed and manifesting in
multiplied instances his divine care of these infant states, hath thought
proper by their act of the 20th day of October last, to recommend to the
several states that Thursday the 9th of December next be appointed a day of
publick and solemn thanksgiving and prayer, which act is in these words, to
wit.</div>
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"Whereas it becomes us humbly
to approach the throne of Almighty God, with gratitude and praise, for the
wonders which his goodness has wrought in conducting our forefathers to this
western world; for his protection to them and to their posterity, amidst
difficulties and dangers; for raising us their children from deep distress, to
be numbered among the nations of the earth; and for arming the hands of just
and mighty Princes in our deliverance; and especially for that he hath been
pleased to grant us the enjoyment of health and so to order the revolving
seasons, that the earth hath produced her increase in abundance, blessing the
labours of the husbandman, and spreading plenty through the land; that he hath
prospered our arms and those of our ally, been a shield to our troops in the
hour of danger, pointed their swords to victory, and led them in triumph over
the bulwarks of the foe; that he hath gone with those who went out into the
wilderness against the savage tribes; that he hath stayed the hand of the
spoiler, and turned back his meditated destruction; that he hath prospered our
commerce, and given success to those who sought the enemy on the face of the
deep; and above all, that he hath diffused the glorious light of the gospel,
whereby, through the merits of our gracious Redeemer, we may become the heirs
of his eternal glory. Therefore, </div>
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Resolved, that it be recommended
to the several states to appoint THURSDAY the 9th of December next, to be a day
of publick and solemn THANKSGIVING to Almighty God, for his mercies, and of
PRAYER, for the continuance of his favour and protection to these United
States; to beseech him that he would be graciously pleased to influence our
publick Councils, and bless them with wisdom from on high, with unanimity,
firmness and success; that he would go forth with our hosts and crown our arms
with victory; that he would grant to his church, the plentiful effusions of
divine grace, and pour out his holy spirit on all Ministers of the gospel; that
he would bless and prosper the means of education, and spread the light of
christian knowledge through the remotest corners of the earth; that he would
smile upon the labours of his people, and cause the earth to bring forth her
fruits in abundance, that we may with gratitude and gladness enjoy them; that
he would take into his holy protection, our illustrious ally, give him victory
over his enemies, and render him finally great, as the father of his people,
and the protector of the rights of mankind; that he would graciously be pleased
to turn the hearts of our enemies, and to dispence the blessings of peace to
contending nations. </div>
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That he would in mercy look down
upon us, pardon all our sins, and receive us into his favour; and finally, that
he would establish the independance of these United States upon the basis of
religion and virtue, and support and protect them in the enjoyment of peace,
liberty and safety." </div>
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I do therefore by authority from
the General Assembly issue this my proclamation, hereby appointing Thursday the
9th day of December next, a day of publick and solemn thanksgiving and prayer
to Almighty God, earnestly recommending to all the good people of this
commonwealth, to set apart the said day for those purposes, and to the several
Ministers of religion to meet their respective societies thereon, to assist
them in their prayers, edify them with their discourses, and generally to
perform the sacred duties of their function, proper for the occasion. Given
under my hand and the seal of the commonwealth, at Williamsburg, this 11th day
of November, in the year of our Lord, 1779, and in the fourth of the
commonwealth. </div>
<div style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.5in;">
THOMAS JEFFERSON </div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Thanksgiving
was observed sporadically in the early 19<sup>th</sup> century on the federal level
while being observed regularly on a state level.</div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>In
Volume Three of his diary, President Rutherford B. Hayes pointed out, <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">"I have the Thanksgiving Proclamations
of twenty-seven States--all recognizing religion, nearly all the religion of
the Bible, and several the Divinity of Christ. More are coming, doubtless. Our
Legislature for many years has passed a joint resolution annually authorizing a
thanksgiving and frequently in terms which recognized the religion of the
Bible.</b> The last Legislature omitted to do so by a mere accident this year,
but in [the] Sixty-fifth volume Ohio Laws, page 306, passed one last year. If
you wish to borrow my bundle of Thanksgiving Proclamations I will send them to
you. All state institutions have religious exercises, some of them chaplains
paid under state laws. The meetings of the two houses of the General Assembly
are always opened with prayer in accordance, sometimes, with resolutions
(passed unanimously usually), and sometimes by common consent. The
inaugurations of governors are prefaced by religious exercises."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>From the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><a href="https://archive.org/details/rutherfordbirch03hayerich">Diary and Letters
of Rutherford Birchard Hayes</a></i>, p. 72.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span></div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Historian
Franklin Benjamin Hough wrote a compilation,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span><a href="http://www.classicapologetics.com/h/Hough.Thanks.pdf">Proclamations
for Thanksgiving, issued by the Continental Congress: Pres't Washington, by the
national and state governments on the Peace of 1815, and by the governors of
New York since the introduction of the custom; with those of the governors of
the several states in 1858</a>, accessible <a href="http://catalog.hathitrust.org/api/volumes/oclc/7071951.html">here</a>. </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;">
<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>President
Chester Arthur stated in <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170308021108/http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=69114&st=Thanksgiving&st1=">hisThanksgiving Proclamation</a>,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“It has
long been the pious custom of our people, with the closing of the year, to look
back upon the blessings brought to them in the changing course of the seasons
and to return solemn thanks to the all-giving source from whom they flow.”</div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>To
honor God is the least we can do for all He has done for us, for America.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Jefferson understood that—<a href="http://www.classicapologetics.com/special/thanks.html">as have American
statesmen throughout history</a>.</div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Why
let critics rob us of this privilege?</div>
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*<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>*<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>*</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;">
<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>J.
P. Holding exposes more bogus quotes at TektonTV.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Click <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFvBa2Vshs&list=PLD74FCE9681403DF4">here</a>
for more.</div>
Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-30820913912798018302015-10-09T09:37:00.005-07:002020-11-16T06:22:17.676-08:00Slavery and Secularism<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">I take
a generally negative view of newspaper opinion pieces. My complaint holds for
almost any popular publication, but a 700-word op-ed provides just enough space
to make an argument and a convenient excuse to ignore serious criticisms of
your viewpoint. To the informed reader, this just annoying, an unfortunate side
effect of how we consume news in the modern world. But the larger problem lies
in the fact that most readers probably aren't in a position to analyze the
claims being put forward.</span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">That
leads us to a piece by Hector Avalos published in the </span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"><a href="http://www.amestrib.com/articles/2011/11/06/ames_tribune/opinion/columnists/doc4eb60f269004f599991543.txt"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><span style="color: black;">Ames Tribune</span></i></a><span style="color: black;"> last week [November 2011], exonerating secularism of
its crimes and heaping all kinds of scorn on religious belief for the violence
it has caused, and with very shoddy evidence.</span></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">Citing
the Civil War, World Wars I and II as examples, a reader wrote to the editor
arguing that "secular ideologies have caused more harm to humanity than
religious ideologies." And Avalos, the skeptic and defender of truth that
he is, couldn't let that stand.</span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">There's
an argument to be made that the letter writer was being a little overzealous in
his accusations against secularism for the harm it's done, but Avalos didn't go
that route. He decided to return the favor and ignore inconvenient facts in
order to keep his disdain for religion intact.</span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">"The
American Civil War was fought, in part, on the basis of biblical interpretation
about slavery." Perhaps.
But there's more to the story. The arguments fished out of the Bible to justify
slavery were gross misinterpretations of the text; they were concocted because
the southern states needed to vindicate slavery, not because the practice is
sanctioned anywhere in the Bible. It's long been pointed out by Christian</span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"><a href="http://christianthinktank.com/qnoslave.html"> apologists</a><span style="color: black;"> that slavery as it was practiced during the Civil War
is not the same as that mentioned in the Old Testament. The latter could more
accurately be called indentured servitude, which was voluntary.</span></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">Furthermore,
there were </span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"><a href="http://www.classicapologetics.com/special/slaverevolt.html">Christian
abolitionists</a><span style="color: black;"> writing during and after the
Civil War who attacked the supposedly biblical basis for slavery. It's
difficult to argue that the Bible condones slavery when some of its most
vociferous critics were believers. How curious that Avalos left this out his
article.</span></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">"In the
case of World War II, José M. Sanchez, a Catholic historian, tells us that
regardless of Pope Pius XII’s alleged complicity in the Nazi holocaust: 'There
is little question that the Holocaust had its origin in the centuries-long
hostility felt by Christians against Jews' (“Pius XII and the Holocaust:
Understanding the Controversy,” The Catholic University of America Press, 2002,
p. 70)."</span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">If you
pick up any scholarly history of Nazi Germany, it will be immediately obvious
how foolish an argument this is. The truth is that as a matter of policy,
the Nazis hated Christianity. They saw religion as an obstacle to overcome,
because religion requires its adherents to dedicate themselves to something
greater than a government. And that's trouble if you're a totalitarian regime.</span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">In
reality, the churches in Germany offered some of the first resistance after the
Nazis took control of the country. Historian Joachim Fest reports in his
book <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Plotting Hitler's Death </i>that
the Nazis openly attacked the churches too soon, and left the churches a degree
of freedom after realizing that they wouldn't roll over. As Fest explains,
"...the churches provided a forum in which individuals could distance
themselves from the regime" and the resistance was so intense that
"...Hitler decided to postpone a showdown until after the war." (p
32)</span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">But if
Avalos is correct, I'd love to know why the Nazis persecuted Christians so
heavily, attempting to nationalize the Protestant church and make its doctrines
more congenial with Nazism. As historian Richard J Evans reports in <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">The Third Reich in Power</i>, "Hitler
seems to have had the ambition of converting [the church] into a new kind of
national church, purveying the new racial and nationalist doctrines of the
regime..." (p 223)</span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">The
result of this effort was a split in the Protestant church; The German Christians
fell in line behind the Nazis and the Confessing Church held out its
resistance, though in the face of much persecution. Evans says that their
pastors were banned from preaching and denied their salaries; Protestant
publishing houses were seized, theology students were forced to join Nazi
organizations, and by 1937, 700 pastors were imprisoned, some eventually
murdered. (p 230)</span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">My
point, as with slavery, is not that Christians were perfectly innocent in all
these affairs, but that the history is far more complex. It simply is not
acceptable to lay Nazism at the feet of Christianity the way Avalos suggests we
should.</span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">"Similarly,
Emperor Hirohito, who ruled Japan at the time of World War II, was seen as a
god. The surrender of Japan came when president Harry S. Truman, a Baptist
Christian, targeted and killed hundreds of thousands of men, women and children
in Hiroshima and Nagasaki."</span><br />
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">Apparently
you can fault religion for the atomic bomb with anecdotes about two
individuals. "The emperor was seen as a god! All religious people believe
in god! See, World War II was religion's fault!" Be serious. The point
about Truman is even more ridiculous. Avalos is taking a few facts in
isolation, stripped of any historical context, and stringing them together to make
his argument. To say that Truman's religious beliefs were the primary factor in
the decision to drop the bomb on Japan is a crude oversimplification of a
very </span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/30/books/did-we-need-to-drop-it.html?pagewanted=all">complicated</a><span style="color: black;"> historical question.</span></span></div><p></p><p>But if you want to see just how vapid this argument is, try blaming the
secular dictators of the last century on atheism, then watch its
apologists, people like Avalos, begin rapidly backpedaling. Lenin's
crimes (and those of his successors) <a href="http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/atheism/805-answering-atheists-regarding-war.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/atheism/805-answering-atheists-regarding-war.htm">were only political in nature</a>,
Richard Dawkins claimed in 2012, not an expression of his explicit
atheism—though Lenin himself seemed to disagree. "Religion is one of the
forms of spiritual oppression which everywhere weighs down heavily upon
the
masses," <a href="https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm">he wrote in 1905</a>, about a decade before <a href="http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-12521.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-12521.html">the Soviet Union began executing</a> Russian Orthodox priests by the hundreds, and ultimately <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=f-HerzgvxssC&q=%E2%80%9CPerhaps+20+million+had+been+killed;+28+million+deported,+of+whom+18+million+had+slaved+in+the+Gulags.+Yet,+after+so+much+slaughter,+they+were+still+believers.%E2%80%9D&pg=PA643#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9CPerhaps%2020%20million%20had%20been%20killed%3B%2028%20million%20deported%2C%20of%20whom%2018%20million%20had%20slaved%20in%20the%20Gulags.%20Yet%2C%20after%20so%20much%20slaughter%2C%20they%20were%20still%20believers.%E2%80%9D&f=false" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="https://books.google.com/books?id=f-HerzgvxssC&q=%E2%80%9CPerhaps+20+million+had+been+killed;+28+million+deported,+of+whom+18+million+had+slaved+in+the+Gulags.+Yet,+after+so+much+slaughter,+they+were+still+believers.%E2%80%9D&pg=PA643#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9CPerhaps%2020%20million%20had%20been%20killed%3B%2028%20million%20deported%2C%20of%20whom%2018%20million%20had%20slaved%20in%20the%20Gulags.%20Yet%2C%20after%20so%20much%20slaughter%2C%20they%20were%20still%20believers.%E2%80%9D&f=false">many millions</a>
of dissidents. The double standard is clear. Religious leaders commit
violence because of their beliefs; secular dictators slaughter innocent
people independent of their atheism. </p><div class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;">
<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">"The main ethical
criticism of religious wars is that they always trade real human lives for
resources or entities (e.g., paradise, “holy land,” God’s will) that can never
be verified to exist. On the other hand, secular wars, even if not always
justified, often are fought over scarcities and threats (e.g., oil, water, a
physical personal attack) that can at least be verified to exist."</span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif" style="color: black;">A
miserable ending to a miserable screed. What are often labeled religious
conflicts actually fit comfortably into what Avalos calls "secular
wars." It's true that enemies in a war are often divided along religious
lines, but, as Dinesh D' Souza points out in <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">What's So Great About Christianity?</i>, equally important is what
they're fighting over - usually, land, self-government, oil, or something else
very non-religious, a point backed up by </span><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"><a href="http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/08/06/god-and-the-ivory-tower/">serious
scholarship</a><span style="color: black;"> should you doubt D'Souza's
reliability.</span></span></div>
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<span face=""Verdana",sans-serif">Unsurprisingly,
then, Avalos' argument is painfully unconvincing. A little common sense and a
brief survey of the relevant research are all we need to defuse this popular
but ultimately unconvincing counter-apologetic.</span></div><div class="MsoBodyText"><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></div><div class="MsoBodyText"><span face=""Verdana",sans-serif">-- Will Lawson <br /></span></div>
Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-55690911926610235712015-09-18T04:47:00.003-07:002020-11-16T06:15:40.876-08:00The KJV Only Atheist<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color: black;">Atheists typically don't know a lot
about Christianity. This is true of prominent critics like Richard Dawkins and
PZ Myers, as well as the run-of-the-mill atheists you may stumble across on
YouTube. Indeed, much of the apologetics material available today exists simply
to correct skeptics who have a poor understanding of Christian history and
theology, because their arguments often crumble as soon as you inject some good
scholarship into the debate.</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color: black;">One of the best ways to expose their
ignorance is to tell the skeptics that they share a lot common ground with
fundamentalist Christians on a variety of important issues. This approach
highlights the fatal flaw in their argument by comparing them to the people
they most detest. It's terribly effective.</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color: black;">Having recently reread James White's <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">The King James Only Controversy, </i>I think
there's another, often overlooked, way to expose the fundamentalist tendencies
of the skeptical crowd: compare them to the King James onlyists. Though their
motivations are very different, both groups foolishly believe that some kind of
conspiracy produced the Bible as we have it today, and they often make the same
arguments in support of this thesis.</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color: black;">If you're unfamiliar with the King
James only advocates, they believe, as their name suggests, that the only
trustworthy English translation of the Bible is the King James version. Modern
translations like the NIV or NASB are "corrupt" and were produced to
intentionally distort the text. </span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color: black;">Anybody with a cursory understanding of
the textual history of the Bible knows that that's not correct, but atheist are
liable to say something remarkably similar. Richard Carrier, for example,
argues in <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">The Christian Delusion </i>that
many verses that made it into our Bibles "were snuck in later by dishonest
Christians," a point JP Holding called him out on during a </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DuKF16Wo80"><span style="color: black;">debate</span></a><span style="color: black;"> a few years ago.</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color: black;">Proponents of King James Onlyism are
fond of alleging that such dishonesty was rampant among the scribes who copied
manuscripts that belong to the Alexandrian text-type, because they weren't
utilized by the King James Translators. But as even Bart Ehrman points out in <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Misquoting Jesus</i>, most of the changes
that were introduced into the text were unintentional--misspellings, slips of
the pen etc. And when the scribes did make intentional changes to the texts
they were copying, it was because they thought they were correcting the
mistakes of previous scribes.</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color: black;">The similarities go deeper, however.
Both atheists and KJV onlyists will note discrepancies between different
manuscripts, often citing the same passages, to support their corruption
charges. The only difference is that the latter mindlessly defend the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Textus Receptus</i>. But in either case, we
can rely on New Testament scholar Dan Wallace for an answer: the original
readings of the text are preserved in the extant manuscripts. Moreover, the
textual variants both groups cite are usually insignificant, not affecting any
serious Christian doctrine. There's no reason to believe that no reliable
translation of the Bible exists today, or that the KJV is the superior
translation.</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color: black;">In a roundabout way, White discusses
this similarity in his book, explaining that KJV onlyism makes the practice of
apologetics harder by attacking some of our oldest and best New Testament
witnesses. "In other words, King James Onlyism cripples its adherents
apologetically in a day when such can have devastating results." (p 88)</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color: black;">So be sure to tell your skeptical
friends, their understanding of textual criticism is identical to that of the
crankiest, most irrational, tradition-driven Christians who have ever lived.
Hopefully that will give them pause before attacking the textual reliability of
the New Testament again.</span></span></div><div class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color: black;"> </span></span></div><div class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color: black;">- Will Lawson <br /></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Not
long ago in this space I posted an open letter to Erwin Lutzer regarding his
errors in Hitler’s Cross. A week after I posted that, I decided it was time to
send it directly to one of Lutzer’s outlets for his own attention. So I went to
the comments area at Moody Media, and sent them the text of the posting.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The
response wasn’t really surprising. No admission of error. No intention to
correct the errors. And of course, Lutzer himself didn’t answer. However, the
answer did end up being far more lame than I had hoped. Here it is in full,
save the ritual greetings and closing:</span></span></div>
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We always appreciate hearing from our readers, even when substantial
disagreement exists. From the length of your letter, we recognize the time and
effort that you marshaled in order to respond to Hitler's Cross. Our hope is that
even in the midst of your objections that you found the book edifying in its
call for Christian perseverance in the face current trends among the American
church. </i></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">You
hope so, huh. Well, no, I didn’t find it edifying at all, not in that sense or
in any sense. Gross misinformation is seldom edifying even in the service of
some supposedly higher mission. (I don’t think Lutzer has even a remote grip on
“trends” in the church either. But that’s another issue.)</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">But
let’s think about that answer for a moment, and what it says to us.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">First,
it diminishes and trivializes the problem of blatant error by calling it “disagreement”
– as though Lutzer and I were merely having a chat about which brand of tea we
each prefer, as opposed to matters of definitive historical record in a book
being read and trusted by millions.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Second,
the rendering of the matter as one of “disagreement” shows a blatant disrespect
for the the scholarship of credentialed historians I referred to in the initial
post, in essence assuming that they are no better reckoned as a source for
truth than conspiracy theorists and amateurs like Ravenscroft and Sklar. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Third,
the closing portion as much as says the following: It doesn’t matter whether we
got the facts right; the message is more important. In this I am reminded of an
incident I was part of some time ago in which I caught a certain celebrity
political source using a false quote of one of America’s Founders. When I noted
that the quotation was false, I was admonished by one of the followers of this
source for “missing the point.” </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">We
are in a dangerous situation, epistemologically, when we sacrifice truth and
accuracy for the sake of some sort of “point” we are trying to make.
Fundamentally, we open the door to those who argue, for example, that the
Gospels or Paul didn’t have to be reporting history; they were just trying to “make
a point.” I’m sure Lutzer’s servant was not thinking far enough to realize
this, or that he was thereby undermining the grounds for his own faith by being
so trivializing. But it is for this very reason that it is essential that
Lutzer and other popular pastors like him not be given some sort of free pass
to foul up history in the service of pastoral teaching.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I’ll
continue to find ways to bring this matter attention, and make myself a thorn
in Lutzer’s side. I’ve been advised by a veteran apologist that Lutzer is not
likely to correct or admit his mistakes. That’s probably true. But if he does
not so here, it won’t be for lack of effort on my part.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri;">An open letter
to:</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri;">Erwin Lutzer</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri;">Pastor, Moody
Bible Church</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri;">Dear Pastor
Lutzer,</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri;">This letter is
written to request that you assume responsibility for, and publicly correct,
serious errors in your book <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Hitler’s
Cross</i>. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri;">In that book you
incorrectly identify Adolf Hitler as involved in the occult. Your source
material for this thematic claim is entirely unreliable and should not have
been used in any serious discussion of Hitler’s religious beliefs.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri;">In point of fact,
Hitler was not an occultist. There were a fraction of Nazi leaders who were
occultists, notably, Heinrich Himmler, the head of the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Schultzstaffel</i>. There were also some who might be termed paganists,
such as Alfred Rosenberg, an influential early leader in the Nazi Party who
wrote <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">The Myth of the Twentieth Century</i>. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri;">However, the few
credible and documented Hitler comments and actions we have on the subject of
the occult clearly indicate that he had no use for it. Hitler’s only close
friend as a youth, Augustin Kubziek</span><span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">, says that the
young Hitler was “absolutely skeptical of occultism.” Commenting on Himmler,
the Party’s leading occultist, Hitler declared: "What nonsense! Here at
last we have reached an age that has left all mysticism behind, and now he
wants to start that all over again...” This sums up Hitler’s view of the occult
as found in recorded history. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">His views on paganism are more equivocal, but indications
are that he also rejected it. The World War Two historian Steigmann-Gall asserts,
"Not once did Hitler have anything positive to say about paganism." </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">Your assessment of Hitler as an occultist, as
noted, is based on entirely unreliable source material.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You repeatedly cite, in your chapter titled
“The Religion and the Third Reich,” two exceptionally unreliable sources:
Trevor Ravenscroft’s <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">The Spear of Destiny
</i>and Dusty Sklar’s <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Gods and Beasts.</i></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">Ravenscroft’s work is nothing but an outlandish
fantasy. Despite Ravenscroft’s constant appeal to a man named Walter Stein as a
source of information on Hitler, not a single scholarly biographer of Hitler is
aware of a man named “Walter Stein” in Hitler’s background. The simple reason
for this is that Ravenscroft made up the story out of whole cloth. The British
historian Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, author of <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">The Occult Roots of Nazism</i>, describes Ravenscroft’s work as
“fanciful.” Clearly, Ravenscroft’s book cannot be taken seriously.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">Sklar’s work is little better. In addition to
using Ravenscoft as a source, she also uses the works of Hermann Rauschning and
Josef Greiner, who are also widely recognized by serious historians as
unreliable (or at best, tenuous) sources on the life of Hitler. Like
Ravenscroft, Sklar does not deserve to be taken seriously.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">Other sources used for the chapter are no more
credible. Authors like Dave Hunt, Gerald Suster, and Texe Marrs are not
responsible historians and have no place in any serious historical work.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">Beyond this, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Hitler’s
Cross</i>, though it gets some facts about Hitler correct, is </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">marred by
numerous factually incorrect statements, such as:</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7.0pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">"[T]he Third Reich reinterpreted the
cross of Christ to advance a pagan agenda"</span></div>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">"[Hitler] was initiated into deeper levels
of occult transformation" </span></div>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">"Hitler was fascinated by Hinduism"</span></div>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">"Himmler said that he did not act without
reference to the Hindu writings" </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">You also retrieve an alleged deathbed quote by
Hitler’s early mentor, Dietrich Eckart:</span></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">Follow Hitler!...I have initiated him into the 'Secret Doctrine,'
opened his centres in vision and given him the means to communicate with the
Powers. </span></i><span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">In reality, no such quote can be credibly
documented from Eckart. Nor can any documentation be offered for an alleged
quote by Hitler you refer to, "Man is God in the making.” </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">Given the depth of error in your book in this
regard, I am publicly calling upon you to repudiate these mistakes, and issue a
formal apology to your readers.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>As
Christians we have a responsibility to be honest and forthcoming with the facts.
Although I assume your errors in this book were not intended, it would indeed
be irresponsible to continue to allow them to stand uncorrected.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">Sincerely,</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">James Patrick Holding (tektonics.org)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana",sans-serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">I'll be spreading this around in various places over the next few weeks. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">The most recent <i>Christian Research Journal</i> has an item at
the end that offers some particularly disturbing observations about the book
<i>The Boy Who Went to Heaven</i>, by Alex Malarkey. I don’t mean revelations that the
book’s account of a near death experience by Alex were fraudulent. That’s old
news by now. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">The article is written by Hank Hanegraaff, who has been in
touch with Alex’s mother, Beth, and reports some of the things she say about
the book and its success.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Mrs. Malarkey
is extremely regretful about the success of the book, and is doing all she can
to erase its influence.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>However, one of
the saddest reactions she reports is from a pastor who balked at her news,
because the book was “blessing” people.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">This is not a new sort of reaction. I’ve seen the same thing
said of Colton Burpo’s NDE account, and no doubt will continue to hear that
about it even if someday Colton steps to the plate and declares that he, too,
made the whole thing up. I’ve also seen and heard similar excuses for <i>Hitler’s
Cross,</i> the execrable work of Erwin Luzter which badly misreports the truth
about Hitler’s religious beliefs.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">I wrote Hitler’s Christianity in part to correct such
mistaken ideas as Lutzer’s. But the example of what’s happening with the
Malarkeys confirms that I shouldn’t expect to see my analysis in print anytime
soon. I did have one slight nibble from a reputable publisher, but was told, in
effect, that they didn’t want it because they couldn’t see the point of it.
That’s nice to know.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">When the news about Alex’s story first came out a couple of
months ago, it went everywhere. Secular outposts like NPR covered it. And there
are some good indications that at least one major retailer knew that the book
was false months before that; and that Beth Malarkey was warning the publisher
of inaccuracies even years before now. You can see <a href="http://pulpitandpen.org/2015/01/15/emails-reveal-lifeway-president-knew-of-heaven-scam-chose-not-to-act/">here </a>how a Christian apologist tried to get
people at Lifeway to answer some simple questions and got nothing but a stone
wall in reply. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">I don’t expect I’d get anything much different if I
approached Lutzer or Moody Press about removing <i>Hitler’s Cross</i> from bookstore
shelves. But I’ve been inspired by Alex and Beth Malarkey’s gumption, and maybe
it’s time I tried, and recorded the results publicly for all to see. It would
also be nice to see the evangelical publishing award that Lutzer’s book got
rescinded. If we have more people like the Malarkeys who take a stand on
falsehoods in Christian publishing, and if we have more embarrassing
revelations posted in secular sources, maybe we can get these popular Christian
publishers to be less concerned about making a buck and more concerned about
fulfilling the Great Commission. And maybe we can also get it so that popular
pastors stop writing books about subjects they know nothing about.</span></div>
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-34492425645454515532015-01-16T03:58:00.003-08:002015-01-16T03:58:31.363-08:00What Is To Be Done?<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">Today we have a guest post by Tekton reader and voice actor "DLAbaoaqu".</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">After the announcement of the 2015 Razzies, I was noticing that the Nicholas Cage version of<i> Left Behind </i>(espousing an eschatology that I haven’t subscribed to in years, and I will it not discuss it beyond this point) and Kirk Cameron’s<i> Saving Christmas</i> had been nominated for a good chunk of awards. While I have no qualms about the choice of either making the list (they both stink), the latter makes me think: “Why do people only pay attention to Christianity when those allegedly subscribing to it do stupid stuff?” <br /><br />In the case of Cameron movie, the greater of the two evils, I feel the man is unwittingly furthering token portrayals of our people. As one can predict, when someone who identifies as Christians — the <i>pieux </i>— does something outrageously stupid (like Comfort’s banana speech and the like) it serves to give the fundy atheists — the <i>athée </i>— ammunition to portray us as inferiors. <br /><br />You know what I’m talking about: “Sky Daddy” this, “Bronze Age” that.<br /><br />So I went browsing through the IMDB message boards for Cameron’s insipid opus for terrible events to describe. Naturally, I found them.<br /><br />Rather than destroying the arguments of the <i>athée</i>, as Cameron claimed, the film merely gave said group something to laugh about (“If you don’t get the biggest tree or the richest butter, you aren’t honoring Christ,” seriously!?). It is little more than adding fuel to the fire, giving the fundy atheists more to “enjoy” and reasons for painting religious types as stupefied masses while they are the chosen ones.<br /><br />Rather than abandoning their position and letting the <i>pieux </i>make their voices heard in an intellectual argument, the <i>athée </i>will continue to exploit beliefs long held dear as superstition and fairy tales.<br /><br /><br />On that same subject, in academic discussions, the stances of the <i>pieux </i>are seldom welcomed. To the world at large, Christianity is seen primarily as a spiritual or moral position, never an intellectual one. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><br />In discussions of the Bible and its history, the minds of the intelligentsia are inclined toward hearing the skeptical side and their side only. Jackson J. Spielvogel, in his textbook <i>Western Civilization, Vol. I:</i> To 1715, says:<br /><br /><i>Many scholars today doubt that the early books of the Hebrew Bible reflect the true history of the early Israelites. They argue that the early books of the Bible, written centuries after the events described, preserve only what the Israelites came to believe about themselves and that recent archaeological evidence often contradicts the details of the biblical account. </i><br /><br />This is no mistake. Academia, in general, tends to be biased toward ideas such as these. When discussing the conquest of Canaan, particularly Jericho, you are not likely to hear the <i>athée </i>discuss anything beyond Kathleen Kenyon.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><br />Spielvogel goes on to say that the Israelites were probably indigenous people living in the region. This is a stance the FAs would most likely agree with. As far as they are concerned, there is no evidence whatsoever for the forty-year exodus through the wilderness or that the Jews were ever in Egypt. Of course, they willingly ignore the Scythians of Russia — a nomadic people who were around for much longer and left next to nothing. They also neglect the Egyptians’ habit of trying to hide the things they were embarrassed about, like Hatshepsut and Akhenaten.<br /><br />The idea of how to interpret the first chapters of Genesis, though, is not settled. Even as far back as the Church Fathers, there was debate on the subject.<br /><br />This kind of stuff even spills over into New Testament studies, with men like Ehrman attempting to discredit the authenticity of the text we have at present. You have the Jesus Seminar and their pipe dream, Q. The only good thing I can say about this state of affairs is that at least the Christ Myth/Pagan Copycat Thesis is still considered an idea only accepted in Bedlam. You would never even know that the date of Herod the Great’s death is being debated.<br /><br />Why does it seem like the <i>pieux </i>is not allowed to speak their part on such matters, or at least ignored? You can argue that they can get their voices heard, but men like Plantinga, Strobel, Collins, Miller, Wood, Craig, Witherington, Habermas, Wright, etc. are not as out in the open as the popularizing skeptic. Instead of those figures, the most commonly heard names among the <i>pieux </i>are Osteen, Hinn, and Meyer, among others; people advancing the stupefaction of the common Christian by way of bizarre teachings and fluff instead of realism and hard information. <br /><br />On the subject of the New Atheist movement, I only have one thing to say: Dawkins discovered the meme. Since the advent of the internet, the <i>athée </i>have lapped up what their “high priests” have regurgitated for them. The <i>athée </i>loves to toss terms like “rational”, “reason”, and “logic” around like a Frisbee. In reality, they are just words written on the wall. You don’t really have to practice it!<br /><br />Because of the underrepresentation of the <i>pieux </i>in intellectual circles, they are often stereotyped as angry, stupid, Bible-thumpers with ramrods up their spines. You know it’s true. When was the last time Christianity was depicted as a positive thing on TV, in the movies, and online? It is because of this lack of assertiveness.<br /><br /><br />The <i>pieux </i>have the capacity to prove themselves to be a formidable position in philosophy and academia. They just need to be assertive. The <i>athée </i>will not stand idly by and just let them make their cases. The faithful needs to stand up for themselves.<br /><br />The global <i>pieux </i>needs to abandon ineffectual things such as televangelism — a haven for heresy and scammers — and focus more on apologetics. They will not make their case with a testimony or devotional. The first members of the Christian church did not rely on those two methods; we must not either.<br /><br />On the internet, the <i>athée </i>upload videos attacking the <i>pieux </i>and what they stand for. The only goal of the <i>athée </i>is to dominate the <i>pieux</i>. They want to do this in the form of humiliation and slander. The <i>pieux</i>, in the past, took “turn the other cheek” to mean do nothing about this; in reality, the usage familial language relegates that teaching to bickering with other <i>pieux</i>. Sadly, this gave the <i>athée </i>the ability to walk all over them with little to no repercussions. <br /><br />In this case, I have one thing to say: “Eye for an eye”; if the FAs can pillory Christians for beliefs they have held for ages, the faithful has every right to retaliate with as much mockery as they can muster. On his movie, <i>The Producers, </i>Mel Brooks said that the most effective way to destroy the legacy of Hitler was through satire. The same can be applied to radical internet atheism.<br /><br />If the <i>pieux </i>can show some backbone and stand up for themselves, they can earn their voice and make their stances known on a broader level.<br /><br />When the <i>athée </i>retweet stuff from Tyson or Maher in order to look cool and logical, they neglect to realize that such “saints” as those two have gone onto propose that unhackable computers are possible and that germ theory is a crock, respectively. Make people like them live up to their own standards.<br /><br />Only when the <i>pieux </i>can fight back for what they believe in can the billboards fall and the online memes shatter. Otherwise, it will be business as usual: neglect, stereotypes, and continued exploitation.<br /><br />What will be their choice?</span>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010300921036003176.post-51026075271986229742014-09-19T06:55:00.002-07:002020-11-16T07:11:59.398-08:00Of Eyewitnesses, Memories, and Mark Hamill<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span face="Verdana, sans-serif">Today we have a guest piece by frequent contributor W. R. Miller.</span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">A common anti-Christian claim is that
people can’t remember details of events after thirty or forty years.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>According to biologist Richard Dawkins, “All
four of the gospels, by the way, were written long after the events that they
purport to describe, and not one of them by an eyewitness.” [1] Detroit,
Michigan attorney Bruce Townley [2] writes, “If one follows the majority of biblical scholarship, Mark was written
at or near 70 CE. This makes Mark (and consequently Matthew and Luke) 35-40
years after the death of Jesus. How many ‘eyewitnesses’ were still alive over
that time period?”[3]<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In the <i><a href="http://books.google.com/books/about/The_New_Oxford_Annotated_Bible.html?id=MGS7QgAACAAJ">Oxford
Annotated Bible</a></i><i><span style="font-style: normal; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">, </span></i>Pheme Perkins makes the claim, “<i><span style="font-style: normal; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Scholars generally agree
that the Gospels were written forty to sixty years after the death of Jesus.</span></i><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"> </i><i><span style="font-style: normal; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">They thus do not present eyewitness or contemporary
accounts of Jesus’ life and teachings." [4]</span></i><a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3010300921036003176#_edn4" name="_ednref4" style="mso-endnote-id: edn4;" title=""><br /></a></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">On the contrary,
the evangelists themselves testify to their own eyewitness accounts.</span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">1 Peter 5:1<br />
</span></b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Therefore, I exhort the
elders among you, as your fellow elder and <u>witness of the sufferings of
Christ</u>, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed… </span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">2 Peter 1:16-17</span></b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><br />
For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the
power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but <u>we were eyewitnesses of His
majesty</u>. </span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">1 John 1:1-3</span></b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><br />
What was from the beginning, <u>what we have heard, what we have seen with our
eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands</u>, concerning the
Word of Life – and the life was manifested, and <u>we have seen and testify and
proclaim to you</u> the eternal life, which was with the Father and was
manifested to us – what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that
you too may have fellowship with us…</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">John 21:24-25<br />
</span></b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">This is the disciple who is
<u>testifying to these things and wrote these things</u>, and we know that his
testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which
if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not
contain the books that would be written.</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Luke 1:1-4</span></b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><br />
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things
accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who <u>from
the beginning were eyewitnesses</u> and servants of the word, it seemed fitting
for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to
write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; so that
you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Acts 2:23-24, 32</span></b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><br />
“This man (Jesus) was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and
foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by
nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from
the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on
him… God has raised this Jesus to life, and <u>we are all witnesses of the fact</u>.”</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Acts 3:15</span></b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><br />
“You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. <u>We are
witnesses of this</u>.”</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Acts 4:20<br />
</span></b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">“For we cannot help
speaking about <u>what we have seen and heard</u>”</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Acts 4:33<br />
</span></b><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">With great power the
apostles continued to <u>testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus</u>, and
much grace was upon them all.</span></span></div>
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everything he (Jesus) did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem</u>. They killed him by hanging him
on a tree, but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to
be seen. He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had
already chosen – by <u>us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the
dead. He commanded us to preach to the people and testify</u> that he is the
one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.”</span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">¶3.erron.= TESTIMONY; witness. [6]<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3010300921036003176#_edn6" name="_ednref6" style="mso-endnote-id: edn6;" title=""></a></span></div>
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attestation in support of a fact or statement; hence, any form of evidence or
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</span>Any object or act serving as proof or evidence. [7]<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3010300921036003176#_edn7" name="_ednref7" style="mso-endnote-id: edn7;" title=""></a></span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">Experts in the science of jurisprudence acknowledge the
eyewitness value of the testimony of the evangelists.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>These include Dr. John Ankerberg, Richard J.
Bauckham, Dr. Tim McGrew of Western Michigan University; Principal Ross
Clifford of Morling College, Australia; Francis Bowen of Harvard; Thomas Arnold
of Rugby; William Paley; John Warwick Montgomery, Emeritus Professor of Law and
Humanities at the University of Luton; Simon Greenleaf, Royall Professor of Law
at Harvard, “Upon the existing Law of Evidence more light has shone from the
New World than from all the lawyers who adorn the courts of Europe,” according
to the London <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Law Magazine</i>; and many
others listed <a href="http://www.classicapologetics.com/special/legalclassics.html">here</a>.</span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">F. F. Bruce, M.A., D.D., F.B.A., of the University of Cambridge,
wrote, “The evidence indicates that the written sources of our Synoptic Gospels
are not later than c. A.D. 60; some of them may even be traced back to notes
taken of our Lord’s teaching while His words were actually being uttered. The
oral sources go back to the very beginning of Christian history. We are, in
fact, practically all the way through in touch with the evidence of
eyewitnesses. The earliest preachers of the gospel knew the value of this
firsthand testimony, and appealed to it time and again. ‘<b>We are witnesses of
these things</b>,’ was their constant and confident assertion. And it can have
been by no means so easy as some writers seem to think to invent words and
deeds of Jesus in those early years, when so many of His disciples were about,
who could remember what had and had not happened. Indeed, the evidence is that
the early Christians were careful to distinguish between sayings of Jesus and
their own inferences or judgments. Paul, for example, when discussing the vexed
questions of marriage and divorce in I Corinthians 7, is careful to make this
distinction between his own advice on the subject and the Lord’s decisive
ruling: ‘<b>I, not the Lord</b>,’ and again, ‘<b>Not I, but the Lord</b>.’ And
it was not only friendly eyewitnesses that the early preachers had to reckon
with; there were others less well disposed who were also conversant with the
main facts of the ministry and death of Jesus. The disciples could not afford
to risk inaccuracies (not to speak of willful manipulation of the facts), which
would at once be exposed by those who would be only too glad to do so. On the
contrary, one of the strong points in the original apostolic preaching is the
confident appeal to the knowledge of the hearers; they not only said, ‘<b>We
are witnesses of these things</b>,’ but also, ‘<b>As you yourselves also know’</b>
(Acts 2:22). Had there been any tendency to depart from the facts in any
material respect, the possible presence of hostile witnesses in the audience
would have served as a further corrective." [9]<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3010300921036003176#_edn9" name="_ednref9" style="mso-endnote-id: edn9;" title=""></a></span></div>
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Wallace of <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Cold Case Christianity</i>
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Can the Gospels be Eyewitness Accounts if They Include Things the Writers
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Perkins believe the evangelists were not eyewitnesses?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Because, she says, “Scholars generally agree
that the Gospels were written forty to sixty years after the death of Jesus.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>How would witnessing the miracles of
Christ—the feeding of thousands of people, the healing of multitudes of people,
calming a storm and walking on water, resurrecting Lazarus and himself—be
forgotten forty to sixty years later?</span></span></div>
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said: “If we suppose that the Synoptic Gospels were written from forty to sixty
years after the time of Christ, still they were based on earlier material, and
even after forty years the memory of characteristic sayings may be perfectly
clear. ... I have not a particularly good memory, but I can recall many sayings
that were uttered forty, or even fifty, years ago, and in some cases can
vividly recollect the scene." [10]<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3010300921036003176#_edn10" name="_ednref10" style="mso-endnote-id: edn10;" title=""></a><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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Handley, </span><span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">AO OStJ QC,</span><span style="color: #211e1e;"> observed, “This is a remarkable piece of historical
evidence written at a very early date, when eyewitnesses were still alive.
Anzac Day this year has reminded us that there are still survivors of the First
World War, 81 years after it ended, who remember what happened. I had
first-hand experience as a judge of a remarkable parallel. In February 1964, <i>HMAS
Melbourne </i>sank <i>HMAS Voyager. </i>In October 1996, over 32 years later, I
sat on the Court which heard the appeal by the Commonwealth from the award of
damages by a jury to a Mr. McLean who had been a sailor on <i>Melbourne</i><i> </i>and claimed to have
suffered post traumatic</span><span style="color: #231f20;">stress disorder. Our
decision is in the official Law Reports.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span></span>(Commonwealth of Australia v McLean (1996) 41 NSWLR 389.) <span style="color: #231f20;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Survivors gave
evidence at the trial and had the clearest recollection of what had happened.
Under the <i>Evidence Act </i>1995, Mrs. McLean was able to say in court in
1996 what her husband had told her in 1964 shortly after the collision. (</span><i>Evidence
Act </i>1995 (NSW) s 64.)<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="color: #231f20;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Hearsay evidence,
such as Luke has incorporated in his Gospel and Paul included in his letter to
the Corinthians, is now accepted in court in civil cases if it was fresh in the
memory of the original speaker. The 32 years in this case was longer than the
interval of 20 years or so to the date of 1 Corinthians." [11]<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3010300921036003176#_edn11" name="_ednref11" style="mso-endnote-id: edn11;" title=""></a></span><span style="color: #211e1e;"> </span></span></div>
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the audition, Hamill recalled in the documentary, <i>Empire of Dreams</i>, [13] </span>“I can remember a
line from the screen test which I don't think ever will leave me.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Luke says, 'But we can't turn back.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual
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years after his screen test, Mark Hamill recalled his screen test thirty-nine
years after the fact, and once again recited the “Fear is their greatest
defense” line. [14]<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3010300921036003176#_edn14" name="_ednref14" style="mso-endnote-id: edn14;" title=""></a></span></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">Jesus commissioned his disciples to, “Go ye therefore, and
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and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you” [15]<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Henceforth, the disciples did exactly that,
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">Jesus had also told his disciples, “<span class="textjohn-14-26">But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the
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things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." [16]</span><a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3010300921036003176#_edn16" name="_ednref16" style="mso-endnote-id: edn16;" title=""></a></span></div>
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points out, “</span>Far from avoiding contact with secular history, the New
Testament is replete with explicit references to secular personages, places,
and events. Unlike typical sacred literature, myth, and fairytale (“Once upon a
time...”), the Gospel story begins with 'There went out a decree from Caesar
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">He adds, “Modern archaeological research has confirmed again
and again the reliability of New Testament geography, chronology, and general
history. To take but a single, striking example: After the rise of liberal
biblical criticism, doubt was expressed as to the historicity of Pontius
Pilate, since he is mentioned even by pagan historians only in connection with
Jesus' death. Then, in 1961, came the discovery at Caesarea
of the now famous 'Pilate inscription,' definitely showing that, as usual, the
New Testament writers were engaged in accurate historiography." [18]<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3010300921036003176#_edn18" name="_ednref18" style="mso-endnote-id: edn18;" title=""></a></span> </div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">After many years of research, Oxford archaeologist Sir
William M. Ramsay concluded, “Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely
are his statement of fact trustworthy; he is possessed of the true historic
sense; he fixes his mind on the idea and plan that rules in the evolution of
history, and proportions the scale of his treatment to the importance of each
incident. He seizes the important and critical events and shows their true
nature at greater length, while he touches lightly or omits entirely much that
was valueless for his purpose.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In short,
this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians." [19]<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3010300921036003176#_edn19" name="_ednref19" style="mso-endnote-id: edn19;" title=""></a></span></div>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">[1] Richard Dawkins, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">The Magic of Reality:
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the
Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical Books: New Revised Standard Version</i>, Oxford
University Press, 2007 edition, “Introduction to the Gospels,” p. 4.</span></span></h1>
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">[5] “testament.” <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">The American Heritage® Dictionary of the
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">[8] <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><span style="mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Websters</span></i><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><span style="mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> College</span></i><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><span style="mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Dictionary</span></i><span style="mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";">.</span> © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd.
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">[9] <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><i>The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable</i>?,
Fifth edition, Downers Grove,
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">[10]<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> Cf. Marcus Dods, <i>The Bible, Its Origin and Nature</i>,
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<span face="Verdana,sans-serif">[11]<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="color: #211e1e;">Ken Handley, </span>“<span style="color: #24344e;">A Lawyer Looks at the Resurrection</span>”. Reprinted
from <i>Kategoria: A Critical Review</i>, v. 15. 1999, pp. 3-4.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Handley’s copious credentials are listed <a href="http://www.tenthfloor.org/handley.html ">here</a>.</span></span></div><div class="MsoEndnoteText"><span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></span></div><div class="MsoEndnoteText"><span face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></span></div>
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